On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:15:12AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2019-04-22 01:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> > If I was to lose faith in Devuan, which I'm now invested in, then I
> > would consider the following, especially ahead of Debian (unless I
> > wished to return with systemd).
>
On 2019-04-22 01:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
If I was to lose faith in Devuan, which I'm now invested in, then I
would consider the following, especially ahead of Debian (unless I
wished to return with systemd).
https://mxlinux.org/
FYI . . . this thread is rather interesting:
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On 15/4/19 5:07 am, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> On 14-04-19 21:03, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>
>> I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux
>> kernel email list, and watched the falling out and aggression
>> there
Le 14/04/2019 à 21:07, info at smallinnovations dot nl a écrit :
On 14-04-19 21:03, Jim Jackson wrote:
I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux kernel email
list, and watched the falling out and aggression there has been on there in
the past? Linus's (and others)
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:07:44PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> You really think that the numbers working on the linux kernel are
> somehow comparable to the numbers working on Devuan?
Every person working on the linux kernel is working on Devuan. Every Debian
developer is
On 14-04-19 21:03, Jim Jackson wrote:
>
> I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux kernel email
> list, and watched the falling out and aggression there has been on there in
> the past? Linus's (and others) language!! Better not take linux seriously
> any longer :-)
>
>
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> After all what happened i cannot take Devuan seriously any longer. And I
> absolutely do not want my systems depending on a distro with such a
> uncertain future.
I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 03:53:41PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> Well Devuan needs that luck even more. I do not like systemd but it is
> supported by those hated corporations (not only Red Sweat). And they
> will pay for removing all those bugs. For Devuan the question has
On 14-04-19 14:56, aitor_czr wrote:
>
> And I repeat: I wishyou all the best luck in the world, you really
> need it :)
>
> https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aitor.
>
Well Devuan needs that luck even more. I do not like systemd but it is
supported by those
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 05:21:48AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 01:51:39AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> >
> > Following common understanding with other caretakers and parallel to
> > the work on the conference documentation, I have started this website,
> > soon to be
dear Massimo and mett,
thanks for your messages. I think right now they well represent the
spirit of the caretakers and the actual situation. You are very
welcome to get involved, through the devuan-dev list and Wednesday's
dev meetings.
We will face this empasse in a constructive way. Katolaz
IMHO..
I mentioned before that I didn't take your joke badly, and I do think others
shouldn't either.
About corporations:
If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they
should put some dedicated maintainers our way so we can remove all of
libsystemd0.
I've often
Quoting Ismael L. Donis Garcia (sli...@natio.co.cu):
> 100% according to you. Please join us, let's not be separated by
> this incident.
>
> I wholeheartedly ask CenturionDan and KatolaZ to return to the
> project, to work together for what we love, it is normal that there
> are different ways
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To:
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward
On 13/04/2019 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 07:52:47 +0200
From: aitor_cz
>
>Dear all, I am a Devuan fan and one of the DNG lurkers
>
>In my opinion Devuan is still a small community with a large task to
>accomplish,
>and splits and divisions are a loss for the community and the open
>source in
>general. While everybody is obviously free to leave if he realizes he
On 13/04/2019 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
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Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward
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Le 12/04/2019 à 17:24, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote:
I suggest we pass the following resolution:
===
At Devuan we prioritize
On 12/4/19 23:20, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
So you only have to endure me another 18 days.
0 days, in my case, because I won't waste more time reading your messages.
Good luck :)
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 01:51:39AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
Following common understanding with other caretakers and parallel to
the work on the conference documentation, I have started this website,
soon to be linked by Devuan's official domain, served under TLS and
completed with a list of
On 2019-04-12 16:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:33:18 +0300, Lars wrote in message
:
On 4/12/19 6:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[snip]
> The problem with the phrase "freedom of init choice" is that it
> appears to say that one could choose systemd.
>
> We need to be clear that we
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:33:18 +0300, Lars wrote in message
:
> On 4/12/19 6:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> [snip]
> > The problem with the phrase "freedom of init choice" is that it
> > appears to say that one could choose systemd.
> >
> > We need to be clear that we are promoting freedom by
On 12-04-19 12:15, Svante Signell via Dng wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-04-11 at 23:52 +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>> On 11-04-19 23:38, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Have I missed something? I want Katolaz back.
Who is CenturionDan? And why does he have that much power?
>>> I am
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 06:09:46PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:24:39AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > > Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote
> > > "freedom of init
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:24:39AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote
> > "freedom of init choice"?
>
> The problem with the phrase "freedom of init choice" is that
On 4/12/19 6:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[snip]
> The problem with the phrase "freedom of init choice" is that it appears
> to say that one could choose systemd.
>
> We need to be clear that we are promoting freedom by providing
> alternatives to systemd, and that users that choose systemd can
>
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > I suggest we pass the following resolution:
> >
> > ===
> > At Devuan we prioritize benefits to individual users over
Il giorno venerdì 12/04/2019 10:41:53 +0200
Antony Stone ha scritto:
> On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > I suggest we pass the following resolution:
> >
[cut]
> Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote
> "freedom of init choice"?
On Thu, 2019-04-11 at 23:52 +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> On 11-04-19 23:38, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > > Have I missed something? I want Katolaz back.
> > > Who is CenturionDan? And why does he have that much power?
> > I am CenturionDan. I don't have any power over Devuan, and
On 2019-04-12 07:26, Jaromil wrote:
> because I believe timing of this debate is crucial
> I stayed up late yesterday night to put up a mock
> up site without tls http://devuan.pro
> just to signal we are moving forward, not backwards. indeed much to do before
> announcing
> first and foremost
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote
> "freedom of init choice"?
>
> I'nm not suggesting that we should include systemd in what Devuan provides
> (!), but I just think the phrase "freedom of
On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote:
> I suggest we pass the following resolution:
>
> ===
> At Devuan we prioritize benefits to individual users over benefits to
> corporations. Within the overarching umbrella of delivering
>
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):
> because I believe timing of this debate is crucial
> I stayed up late yesterday night to put up a mock
> up site without tls http://devuan.pro
> just to signal we are moving forward, not backwards. indeed much to do
> before announcing first and foremost the
because I believe timing of this debate is crucial
I stayed up late yesterday night to put up a mock
up site without tls http://devuan.pro
just to signal we are moving forward, not backwards. indeed much to do before
announcing
first and foremost the TLS cert.
the wording and style will be
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> As a starter for corporate respectability, please make sure your
> certificates are in order. Firefox tells me:
>
> Your connection is not secure
>
> The owner of devuan.pro has configured their website improperly. To
> protect your
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 01:51:39AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>
> Fine. I accept your apologies Dan, but still believe this is not
> enough, now we have lost a major contributor and are in need of
> finding both sustainability and reliable agency. I am fully committed
> to the continued success of
Fine. I accept your apologies Dan, but still believe this is not
enough, now we have lost a major contributor and are in need of
finding both sustainability and reliable agency. I am fully committed
to the continued success of this project beyond any personal interest
and believe we need to
Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl):
>
>
> This is really too childish to be true.
No, Nick, it's human.
Daniel, I completely empathise with everything you just posted, and
appreciate your care and thoughtfulness. Having gotten to know you
along with
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:21:06 +0200
KatolaZ wrote:
> I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have
> always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I
> promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan
> until the day we would have started
On 11-04-19 23:38, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>> Have I missed something? I want Katolaz back.
>> Who is CenturionDan? And why does he have that much power?
> I am CenturionDan. I don't have any power over Devuan, and am only a
> long time volunteer and contributor to this project.
>
This is really
>
> Have I missed something? I want Katolaz back.
> Who is CenturionDan? And why does he have that much power?
I am CenturionDan. I don't have any power over Devuan, and am only a
long time volunteer and contributor to this project.
I also like KatolaZ have been contributing to Devuan since
Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com):
> If you want and/or need full support and recompense for failure, then
> by all means pay for a service provider to provide this. Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux is available, for example, and there are many
> consultancies whom you can pay to
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:21:06AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote:
[cut]
>
> Please forget this thread and do not waste any single bit on it: I
> will not read and I will not reply. If you have time to spare, use it
> to help Devuan in any way you can. Beowulf is very close, it will be a
> fantastic
On 11/04/19 at 13:05, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
>
>> In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to
>> different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and
>> will now take an indefinite leave from the project.
> Enzo, please
On 11/04/19 at 13:27, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote:
> It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his
> replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was
> that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use.
Like all OSes do, both free and
Quoting Edward Bartolo via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
> Although, I was not present in the conferences, I can imagine what was
> the problem. That prank was completely misplaced: as someone replied,
> one does not joke with security.
Ordinarily, I am in agreement with this view, but _details
KatolaZ wrote:
> I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have
> always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I
> promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan
> until the day we would have started talking corporate bullshit, or
>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:19:38 +0200
Joril via Dng wrote:
> On 11/04/19 16:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> >> Enzo, please enjoy your leave and come back soon. Speaking for
> >> myself, you have my full and unreserved confidence.
> >
> > ..and mine.
> >
>
> And mine!
Mine too. And I think I
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:30:25 +0100
Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
>
> I have said it before and I will say it again, the internet isn't
> really the place for an April fools joke,
Everyone knows that now, Roland, so let's just move on.
SteveT
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:27:08 +0200
Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote:
> It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his
> replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was
> that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use.
Stop it Edward, this
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:46:13 +0300
Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> On 4/11/19 1:27 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > It was at least a perfect example that "politic correctness" takes
> > out the fun of everything. Sorry that KatolaZ decided to leave, but
> > quite understandable.
>
> this was no
Hi!
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 11 Apr 20:37:03 +0200
Jaromil scripsit:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019, John Crisp via Dng wrote:
>
> > So who out of the complainers is going to pick up the slack that they
> > have caused?
>
> well, one is a member of the caretakers: CenturionDan, who has
> ultimately caused
On 11/04/2019 19:37, Jaromil wrote:
> well, one is a member of the caretakers: CenturionDan, who has
> ultimately caused Katolaz to drop. It all happened within a private
> thread related to the April's fool.
>
> I'm hereby asking CenturionDan out of the caretakers and will initiate
> a public and
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019, John Crisp via Dng wrote:
> So who out of the complainers is going to pick up the slack that they
> have caused?
well, one is a member of the caretakers: CenturionDan, who has
ultimately caused Katolaz to drop. It all happened within a private
thread related to the April's
On 11/04/2019 09:21, KatolaZ wrote:
> I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have
> always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I
> promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan
> until the day we would have started talking corporate
On 11/04/2019 12:27, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote:
> It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his
> replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was
> that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use.
Eh? That's exactly the same as most
- Original Message -
From: "Joel Roth via Dng"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:45:49AM -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
I believe that we should achieve an opinion poll somewhere where get
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:45:49AM -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> I believe that we should achieve an opinion poll somewhere where get
> registered the members that wish that KatolaZ return to the project.
Would be a nice show of support, but I think KatolaZ's opinion is
the only one
I believe that we should achieve an opinion poll somewhere where get
registered the members that wish that KatolaZ return to the project.
Best Regards
--
Ismael
Devuan User: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
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- Original Message -
From: "Joril via Dng"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward
On 11/04/19 16:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
Enzo, please enjoy your leave and come back soon. Speaking for
myself, you have my full and unreserved confidence.
On 11/04/19 16:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
Enzo, please enjoy your leave and come back soon. Speaking for
myself, you have my full and unreserved confidence.
..and mine.
And mine!
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 04:05:30 -0700, Rick wrote in message
<2019040530.gk15...@linuxmafia.com>:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
>
> > In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to
> > different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and
> > will
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:30:25 +0100, Rowland wrote in message
<20190411133025.60dab...@devstation.samdom.example.com>:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:15 +0200
> Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Edward Bartolo via Dng
> > wrote:
> >
> > > [ ... ] That
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 11 Apr 13:30:25 +0100
Rowland Penny via Dng scripsit:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:15 +0200
> Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> [...]
> I have said it before and I will say it again, the internet isn't
> really the place for an April fools joke, I saw the webpage on the
> 31st
Il giorno giovedì 11/04/2019 13:27:08 +0200
Edward Bartolo ha scritto:
> It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his
> replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was
> that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use.
What's
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:15 +0200
Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Edward Bartolo via Dng
> wrote:
>
> > [ ... ] That prank was completely misplaced: as someone replied,
> >one does not joke with security. The latter can mean lost business.
>
>Only if
It looks like Devuan just got knocked sideways, although I don't worry
about the loss of forward momentum.
A voice inside my head is hoping this too is merely a joke.
Clarke
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote:
[ ... ] That prank was completely misplaced: as someone replied,
one does not joke with security. The latter can mean lost business.
Only if people are too stupid to understand the idea behind what is
called a backup of
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:46:13PM +0300, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
On 4/11/19 1:27 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
It was at least a perfect example that "politic correctness" takes out the fun
of everything. Sorry that KatolaZ decided to leave, but quite understandable.
this was no political
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to
> different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and
> will now take an indefinite leave from the project.
Enzo, please enjoy your leave and come back soon. Speaking
On 4/11/19 1:27 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> It was at least a perfect example that "politic correctness" takes out the
> fun of everything. Sorry that KatolaZ decided to leave, but quite
> understandable.
this was no political correctness example to me. corporate/other
correctness maybe.
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 11 Apr 10:37:32 +0100
John Crisp via Dng scripsit:
> On 11/04/19 09:21, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to
> > different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and
> > will now take an indefinite leave
On 11/04/19 09:21, KatolaZ wrote:
> In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to
> different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and
> will now take an indefinite leave from the project.
>
Tragic.
I tried hard not to waste too much time reading the
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