On Monday 17 December 2018 09:48:10 pm Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100
>
> KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > >
> > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > >
[let's see if I can send to the list instead of replying to an individual this
time...]
On Tuesday 18 December 2018 11:30:47 am g4sra via Dng wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> > during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis)
On Tuesday 18 December 2018 07:19:05 am Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> > finds information, it should be saved for the secondary
On 12/21/18, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> Thanks for the video, it took me more than three attempts :P.
> I had existing partitions on the drive that I needed to keep so did not
> go near the 'use entire disk' option. The partitioning in the video does
> not encrypt the entire disk, it leaves /boot
On 12/21/18 7:41 AM, g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
>> Here's a video showing how to create an encrypted partition using the
>> manual partitioning step in the installer. You probably did it wrong.
>> Don't feel bad - I did it wrong three times before I got it right for
>> the video, and I've done this
> Here's a video showing how to create an encrypted partition using the
> manual partitioning step in the installer. You probably did it wrong.
> Don't feel bad - I did it wrong three times before I got it right for
> the video, and I've done this before.
>
On 12/17/18, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 17/12/2018 00:41, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> automagic disk encryption,
>> The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
>> a show-stopper to my laptop installs
> The most taxing step in my
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:28:06PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > I still fail understanding what you mean by "Program 2". It's called,
> > maybe, just "apt-get" or "synaptic".
> >
>
> OK, um..
> take tasksel, clone it into two.
>
> In tasksel one [1], keep everything that is NOT optional
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:36:30PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> Yeah but all the partitioner questions can be asked before the action is
> committed. Not that mkfs takes a noticeable amount of time anyway...
Can be ... at present I don't think you can start defining partitions
in a RAID or
>
> I still fail understanding what you mean by "Program 2". It's called,
> maybe, just "apt-get" or "synaptic".
>
OK, um..
take tasksel, clone it into two.
In tasksel one [1], keep everything that is NOT optional (and is stateful).
Partitioning, formatting, kernel, bootloader, package manager
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 05:30:47PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> > during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis) with the complete
> > installation of a new system. They are not even comparable. There is
>
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 05:24:10PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> I often have difficulty with correct terminology despite having a very
> definite
> idea.
>
> The term 'Installer' applies to the first stage actions taken outside of the
> package manager such as partitioning, formatting,
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:19:39PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > It is my view that the configuration program should be capable of being
> > run at any time after installation, even multiple times on separate
> > occasions as required.
>
> I am not sure what you exactly mean here. The installer
[snip]
>
> You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis) with the complete
> installation of a new system. They are not even comparable. There is
> no thing like "oh I re-run the installer configuration to change the
>
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:58:00PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 18/12/2018 03:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Perhaps reframing it would make a difference. Perhaps renaming the
> > second program "Install Software" (install_software), and having it
> > boot into install_software, would
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:58:00PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
[cut]
>
> To clarify further...
> It is my view that the configuration program should be capable of being
> run at any time after installation, even multiple times on separate
> occasions as required.
>
I am not sure what you
On 18/12/2018 03:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> [snip]
> Perhaps reframing it would make a difference. Perhaps renaming the
> second program "Install Software" (install_software), and having it
> boot into install_software, would satisfy all but the most
> windows-phobic that the sum of the two programs
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:29:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 18/12/2018 13:19, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> >> KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> >>
On 18/12/2018 13:19, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>
>> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
>> finds information, it should be saved for the secondary installer to
>> use.
>
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> finds information, it should be saved for the secondary installer to
> use.
It would be enough if the software the bootable
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> ...and we end up with something of the same complexity of the current
> debian-installer.
Of course you do. The same questions must be answered either way. The
distinction is that one way you're guaranteed a working kernel and
bootable OS
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > Configure mountpoints
> > > Install Bootloader
> > > Install Kernel,
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20181216122843.2lg34abliiena...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > > Configure
On 17/12/2018 00:41, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
>> automagic disk encryption,
>
>
> Well, if you cannot install on an encrypted root, encrypting it later
> is a real PITA.
>
> The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
> a
On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
> automagic disk encryption,
Well, if you cannot install on an encrypted root, encrypting it later
is a real PITA.
The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
a show-stopper to my laptop installs (I install Debian, then,
On 16/12/18 at 11:10, KatolaZ wrote:
> However, I am pretty sure that 99.9% of the Devuaners would probably
> find the result quite uncomfortable, inconvenient, skinny, and overly
> archaic.
Not I.
What VUA would?
--
Alessandro Selli
VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net
Chiave firma e
On 16/12/2018 20:06, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:11:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>> That is my issue, focus has been lost on what an 'Installer' should do.
>> A great deal is performed at install time that falls into the domain of
>> package manager'. Standard
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:11:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
[cut]
>
> That is my issue, focus has been lost on what an 'Installer' should do.
> A great deal is performed at install time that falls into the domain of
> package manager'. Standard tools such as dpkg, apt-get, synaptec,
>
On 16/12/2018 12:28, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>
> You see: in just two emails we have come from a *minimal* base
> installation (a shell with a kernel, a bootloader, and a working
> dpkg/apt) to a fully-functioning network server
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 01:28:43PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > > Configure mountpoints
> > > > > Install Bootloader
> > > > > Install
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[cut]
> > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > >
> > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > Configure mountpoints
> > > > Install Bootloader
> > > > Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> > > > Install Shell & package management software
>
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:10:20AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > Configure mountpoints
> > > Install Bootloader
> > > Install
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20181216101020.h6zmiomznqqpm...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > >
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> > Media partitioning, formatting
> > Configure mountpoints
> > Install Bootloader
> > Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> > Install Shell & package management software
> >
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:29:21 -0800, Rick wrote in message
<20181216012921.ga24...@linuxmafia.com>:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > You know what would really be fun? An installer that asks *all* of
> > the necessary questions right at the front, so you can walk away
> >
On 2018-12-15 19:19, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
g4sra via Dng wrote:
Media partitioning, formatting
Configure mountpoints
Install Bootloader
Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
Install Shell & package management software
Configure console
Configure network
Boot
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> You know what would really be fun? An installer that asks *all* of the
> necessary questions right at the front, so you can walk away and do
> something else while it installs itself.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
As the page
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
g4sra via Dng wrote:
> Media partitioning, formatting
> Configure mountpoints
> Install Bootloader
> Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> Install Shell & package management software
> Configure console
> Configure network
> Boot
>
> Discuss...
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