Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
> As I checked with ChatGPT ROFL! ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
Op 2 mrt 2024 om 14:13 heeft Lee het volgende geschreven: > How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to > run at home? So I think you need to qualify whether you are talking about authoritative servers or recursive servers or forwarders, and what you mean by popular, and which homes. It seems possible that by some measures the most popular DNS software that end-users choose at home is 8.8.8.8. But I think more fundamentally I'm wondering what any of these questions have to do with DNS operations. Joe ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- Openwrt is fine. See also pihole. I just run bind9. Knot, powerDNS, and unbound are also great. p vixie On Mar 2, 2024 09:56, Lee wrote: On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 8:55 AM David Conrad wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mar 2, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Lee wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > > dns-operations wrote: > >> > >> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular > >> DNS server software in the world. > > ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be true." > > > I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use > > Probably. > > > - which seems to be pi-hole > > I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast > majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would > be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not pi-hole. OK - that was bad phrasing on my part :( How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to run at home? So whatever their ISP supplies doesn't count, as well as things like the default software on OpenWRT. I was trying to limit it to just what home users picked to run at home - not whatever default they were given. Why? Because that might be better that what I picked to run at home. Regards, Lee ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
It appears that Lee said: >OK - that was bad phrasing on my part :( >How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to >run at home? For the 0.01% of end users that manage their own networks, well, OK. On my home network I have an old mini ATX box running FreeBSD, on which I use unbound. It works great for me. R's, John ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 8:55 AM David Conrad wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mar 2, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Lee wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > > dns-operations wrote: > >> > >> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular > >> DNS server software in the world. > > ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be true." > > > I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use > > Probably. > > > - which seems to be pi-hole > > I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast > majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would > be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not pi-hole. OK - that was bad phrasing on my part :( How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to run at home? So whatever their ISP supplies doesn't count, as well as things like the default software on OpenWRT. I was trying to limit it to just what home users picked to run at home - not whatever default they were given. Why? Because that might be better that what I picked to run at home. Regards, Lee ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] most somethind DNS something, DNS Operations
On 3/2/24 11:34, John Levine wrote: I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not pi-hole. I'd also expect it's whatever they use in the cheap NAT routers that broadband providers hand out. That's often dnsmasq, the default that ships with OpenWRT and the like. Keith ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] most somethind DNS something, DNS Operations
It appears that David Conrad via dns-operations said: >ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be true." May we quote you on that? >> - which seems to be pi-hole > >I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast >majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive >side) would be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is >not pi-hole. I'd also expect it's whatever they use in the cheap NAT routers that broadband providers hand out. ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
First of all, this is the wrong question to ask. Who cares what’s the most popular anything… The questions you should be asking are: - What is the best tool (DNS server) for the task I have? - Is there a good documentation? - Can I get help? Is there a forum? Is there a mailing list? Is there a helpful community around the product? - Has the product healthy development? Is there a team or is that a one person show? What is the funding model? What is the governance? - How does the product solve security issue? Is there a procedure for handling security issues? Are the developers transparent? - (bonus) Are the product developers involved in the DNS community? Are they involved in the protocol development? And FFS never ever ask Large Language Models (ChatGPT) if you want to know truth. There are no shortcuts to knowledge. Cheers, Ondřej (with my ISC BIND 9 hat) -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) > On 15. 2. 2024, at 16:33, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > > Subject: DNS Operations > > Good day from Singapore, > > Could you please provide information on the current dominance and market > share of ISC BIND DNS server? Is it widely recognized as the most popular DNS > server globally? > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > Targeted Individual in Singapore > > > > > > > > > > ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- Hi, On Mar 2, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Lee wrote: > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > dns-operations wrote: >> >> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular >> DNS server software in the world. ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be true." > I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use Probably. > - which seems to be pi-hole I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not pi-hole. > If you want to define "most popular" as what the root servers This would be an odd definition of “most popular”. > If you want to define "most popular" as DNS servers accessible on the > Internet, I'd kind of like to know too. Maybe bind, maybe not.. I dunno. Historically (as in the 80s and 90s), it was probably BIND because it was pretty much the only DNS package out there. My memory was that when Microsoft came out with Active Directory (and, to a lesser extent djbdns), BIND’s market share dropped rapidly. There was (is) a tool known as “fpdns” that could be used to provide interesting stats on what DNS servers were running, but I believe this stopped being effective as developers ‘fixed’ the information leakage fpdns made use of. Fortunately, there are a lot of name servers, both authoritative and recursive, out there these days so monoculture concerns aren’t that significant anymore. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
On 2 Mar 2024, at 05:26, Lee wrote: > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > dns-operations wrote: > >> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular >> DNS server software in the world. > > I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use - which > seems to be pi-hole We don't have to guess! > What is the most popular DNS software in the world? Please qualify your > answer by explaining what measure of popularity you used, including > references where possible. Determining the "most popular" DNS software can be challenging as it depends on the criteria used for measurement. However, one common metric used to gauge popularity is market share, which can be inferred from various sources such as surveys, internet usage statistics, and data from authoritative sources within the industry. As of my last update in January 2022, while BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) historically held a significant market share and was widely regarded as one of the most popular DNS software solutions, the landscape might have evolved since then. To provide a more current and accurate assessment, it's advisable to consult recent industry reports, surveys, and data from authoritative sources such as: DNS-OARC (DNS Operations, Analysis, and Research Center): DNS-OARC provides valuable insights into DNS software usage through its workshops, presentations, and research publications. Their data could offer a glimpse into the distribution of DNS software among top-level domains (TLDs) and major DNS operators. Internet Infrastructure Surveys: Organizations such as W3Techs, Netcraft, and BuiltWith periodically conduct surveys and analysis on internet infrastructure, including DNS software usage trends. These surveys often provide statistics and insights into the distribution of various DNS software solutions across websites and internet infrastructure. Vendor Reports and Surveys: DNS software vendors may release reports or conduct surveys among their user base to understand the preferences and usage patterns of their customers. Reports from vendors like ISC (Internet Systems Consortium), the organization behind BIND, may offer insights into BIND's market share and its standing relative to other DNS software. Industry Analyst Reports: Analyst firms like Gartner, Forrester, and IDC may include assessments of DNS software market trends, including market share analysis and vendor comparisons, in their reports and research publications. By consulting these sources and considering their methodologies and data, one can better understand the current landscape of DNS software popularity and identify the most prevalent solutions in use today.___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 3:57 AM Lee wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > dns-operations wrote: > > > > As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular > > DNS server software in the world. I've never tried it, but "DNS fingerprinting tool" might let you find out for yourself: https://www.dns-oarc.net/tools/fpdns Regards, Lee ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via
dns-operations wrote:
>
> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular
> DNS server software in the world.
I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use - which
seems to be pi-hole
If you want to define "most popular" as what the root servers use then
maybe NSD:
$ cat root-server-types
#!/bin/bash
# what software are the root servers running?
grep -o . <<< "abcdefghijklm" | while read X ; do
printf "%s\t" ${X}.root-servers.net.
printf "%s\n" "$(dig -c ch -t txt version.bind
@${X}.root-servers.net. +short)"
done
If you want to define "most popular" as DNS servers accessible on the
Internet, I'd kind of like to know too. Maybe bind, maybe not.. I
dunno.
Regards,
Lee
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