Re: [dns-privacy] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Rob Sayre
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:16 PM Barry Leiba via Datatracker wrote: > > On Alissa’s first point — why publish this update now, rather than waiting > until more things shake out and settle down — I basically agree, though I’m > torn between thinking that waiting is better... and, on the other hand,

[dns-privacy] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Barry Leiba via Datatracker
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[dns-privacy] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Alissa Cooper via Datatracker
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Rob Sayre
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:17 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > > The document is in IESG eval -- there is no more "eventually". > It can always be obsoleted. This one probably will be. thanks, Rob ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:16 PM Peter Koch wrote: > > Hi Warren, > > On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 04:39:54PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > 4.1. The Public Nature of DNS Data > > > >It is often stated that "the data in the DNS is public". This sentence > >makes sense for an Internet-wide

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Peter Koch
Hi Warren, On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 04:39:54PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > 4.1. The Public Nature of DNS Data > >It is often stated that "the data in the DNS is public". This sentence >makes sense for an Internet-wide lookup system, and there >are multiple facets to the data and

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Rob Sayre
On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:42 PM Warren Kumari via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > > My DISCUS is specifically around the"The Alleged Public Nature of DNS > Data" / > "It has long been claimed that "the data in the DNS is public" section -- > it > seems to be unnecessarily creating and

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
Warren On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:40 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:29 PM Brian Haberman > wrote: > > > > Hi Warren, > > Thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of responses (as document > > shepherd) inline... > > > > On 10/5/20 5:42 PM, Warren Kumari via Datatracker

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:29 PM Brian Haberman wrote: > > Hi Warren, > Thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of responses (as document > shepherd) inline... > > On 10/5/20 5:42 PM, Warren Kumari via Datatracker wrote: > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > >

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Warren, Thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of responses (as document shepherd) inline... On 10/5/20 5:42 PM, Warren Kumari via Datatracker wrote: > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: Discuss > > When responding, please

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Vinny Parla (vparla)
Hi, Some excellent and detailed responses to my questions from both you and Christian. Thank you. A CDN could aggregate both Content and DNS in a single channel as nothing in the protocol(s) prevents this, correct? While discovery might preclude this behavior from happening, ultimately

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Chris Box (BT)
Vinny, Christian makes a number of good points. I will just add that your original question assumes that the client wishes to send most or all of its DNS queries directly to the content provider it is talking to. The ADD working group is founded on the concept of needing to discover recursive

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Christian Huitema
There is indeed some extra per request overhead for Doh over HTTP3 versus Dns over QUIC, but I don't think that is the deciding factor. I think that the two other decision factors are for the client the privacy risks linked to cookies and other forms of HTTP tracking, and for the server the

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Vinny Parla (vparla)
Hi Tommy, Thanks for the response. Would you envision the iOS / macOS implementation following the current model - long term - of keeping DNS as an OS resolver function and hence independent? I concur that applications like Browsers can multiplex this today with Content. So the

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Tommy Pauly
DoH is designed to be multiplexed with other HTTP requests. This is already possible with HTTP/2, and HTTP/3 carries on that ability. In order to take advantage of multiplexing, even with QUIC, you need some application-layer awareness of the content of the streams, which is why this is more

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread James
Tommy: I suspect they are likely on list and can speak for themselves and do a much better job of it, however aiui it was the absolute worst case where QUIC connection setup was also included. This was a brief hallway discussion back in Singapore so things may have progressed. Vinny: The

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS and QUIC,HTTP/3 Long term vision...

2020-10-07 Thread Vinny Parla (vparla)
Hi, What I am driving at in my original question is do we envision mixing Content and DNS together in a multiplexed session or will DNS continue to be an entirely independent channel (whether over HTTP/2 /3 Do53 DoQ DoH). -Vinny From: Tommy Pauly Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020

[dns-privacy] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-10-07 Thread Roman Danyliw via Datatracker
Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer