Re: [DNSOP] draft-jabley-dnsop-ordered-answers

2015-11-04 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > Hi all, > > I couldn't quite interpret the questions and hums in the room; was the > consensus > > (a) this clarification is not needed; the existing spec is clear enough, or > > (b) a clarification might be useful, but the proposed clarification

Re: [DNSOP] Request for Comments on I-D about IoT DNS Name Autoconf

2015-11-04 Thread Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Stuart, by mistake, my incomplete email was sent. Here is the complete email. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Stuart Cheshire wrote: > On 3 Nov 2015, at 01:51, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > wrote: > > > Hi 6man, 6lo and dnsop folks, > > > > There will be a talk about IoT DNS Name Autoconfiguration >

Re: [DNSOP] Request for Comments on I-D about IoT DNS Name Autoconf

2015-11-04 Thread Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Dear Stuart, Thanks for your constructive comments below. I answer your comments in lines. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Stuart Cheshire wrote: > On 3 Nov 2015, at 01:51, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > wrote: > > > Hi 6man, 6lo and dnsop folks, > > > > There will be a talk about IoT DNS Name Autoc

Re: [DNSOP] My "toxic" remark at the mic today

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 5 Nov 2015, at 13:47, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Is there a document that says not to put such a record into the root, however? No, but there is an RFC from the IAB about what labels should not be into the root without further consideration: RFC 4690. That has been widely interpreted as "do n

Re: [DNSOP] Request for Comments on I-D about IoT DNS Name Autoconf

2015-11-04 Thread Stuart Cheshire
On 3 Nov 2015, at 01:51, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote: > Hi 6man, 6lo and dnsop folks, > > There will be a talk about IoT DNS Name Autoconfiguration > in 6man WG's morning session tomorrow, 11/4/2015. > > Title: DNS Name Autoconfiguration for Internet of Things Devices > https://tools.ietf.org

[DNSOP] My "toxic" remark at the mic today

2015-11-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, Today I went to the mic in response to Stéphane's question about DNAME in the root zone. I gather the point I was trying to make wasn't clear. What I understood Stéphane to be saying was that the IETF ought to take a position on whether it'd be a good idea to put a DNAME record into the root

Re: [DNSOP] draft-fanf-dnsop-rfc2317bis-00 vs. draft-spacek-dnsop-update-clarif-01

2015-11-04 Thread Petr Spacek
On 4.11.2015 22:53, Tony Finch wrote: > Tim Wicinski wrote: >> >> draft-spacek-dnsop-update-clarif, Spacek Grrr, dnsop session ended right on time and Paul Wouters did not get necessary 30 seconds to present this draft to the WG. Anyway: > Note that my 2317bis draft has a slightly different

[DNSOP] draft-jabley-dnsop-ordered-answers

2015-11-04 Thread Joe Abley
Hi all, I couldn't quite interpret the questions and hums in the room; was the consensus (a) this clarification is not needed; the existing spec is clear enough, or (b) a clarification might be useful, but the proposed clarification in the document is wrong, or (c) something else? If it

[DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wessels-edns-key-tag in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2015-11-04 Thread IETF Secretariat
The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wessels-edns-key-tag in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Tim Wicinski) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wessels-edns-key-tag/ ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www

Re: [DNSOP] we already have a new version of this problem

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:16:19 AM Tim WIcinski wrote: > I believe the IESG guidance given to us is that no Special Use Domain > Names will be addressed until the 6761 "scaling issue" has a direction. tellingly, the technologies that will surround "homenet" will also be relevant to SOHO a

[DNSOP] agenda bashing

2015-11-04 Thread joel jaeggli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 paul, I would like to apologize for asking you to sit down. My interpretation of the statement was that: We do not have scope to address a charter item because it belongs at icann. We need to either address it or inform the iesg that we are

Re: [DNSOP] we already have a new version of this problem

2015-11-04 Thread Tim WIcinski
The authors of this draft was alerted when -00 was initially submitted that this approval needed to pass through DNSOP. On 11/5/15 10:19 AM, George Michaelson wrote: Which demands pretty direct pushback on the AD and WG chairs, because otherwise, we're just building a huge queue of pent-up

Re: [DNSOP] we already have a new version of this problem

2015-11-04 Thread George Michaelson
Which demands pretty direct pushback on the AD and WG chairs, because otherwise, we're just building a huge queue of pent-up demand for names. Names we might decide we don't think should happen, or happen a different way. If we allow WG adoption in another WG of something which heads into an activ

Re: [DNSOP] we already have a new version of this problem

2015-11-04 Thread Tim WIcinski
I believe the IESG guidance given to us is that no Special Use Domain Names will be addressed until the 6761 "scaling issue" has a direction. On 11/5/15 10:11 AM, George Michaelson wrote: So can somebody explain to me what we are meant to do with a possible emerging homenet desire for .home?

[DNSOP] we already have a new version of this problem

2015-11-04 Thread George Michaelson
So can somebody explain to me what we are meant to do with a possible emerging homenet desire for .home? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home/ because I believe this isn't just the tail of odd requests from the tor people for various hash based names.. its another WG i

[DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-dnsop-refuse-any in state "Adopted by a WG"

2015-11-04 Thread IETF Secretariat
The DNSOP WG has placed draft-dnsop-refuse-any in state Adopted by a WG (entered by Tim Wicinski) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-refuse-any/ ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/

Re: [DNSOP] Agenda and Slides upload

2015-11-04 Thread Tony Finch
Tim Wicinski wrote: > > draft-spacek-dnsop-update-clarif, Spacek Note that my 2317bis draft has a slightly different take on UPDATE vs classless reverse DNS. The UPDATE section of my draft is entirely due to Petr's draft, so I'm very grateful to him for pointing out the problem. I'm intereste

[DNSOP] Agenda and Slides upload

2015-11-04 Thread Tim Wicinski
I've uploaded a final final agenda and all the slides. We had to move the 6761 Discussion earlier in the meeting to deal with a conflict Ralph has. It's going to still have a 30 minute hard limit. tim - WG: DNS Operations (dnsop) Meeting:IETF 9

Re: [DNSOP] Questions about draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-00

2015-11-04 Thread Alain Durand
Stephane, The following paragraph in section 2 was an attempt at capturing your point: " Such usage, which a few commenters have referred to as "protocol switching," is not limited to "protocol switch" in the strict sense of indicating specific protocols on the wire. It could indicate to

Re: [DNSOP] Questions about draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-00

2015-11-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 12:20:27PM +0900, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 73 lines which said: > draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-00 raises several issues, And I forgot one of the most important ones, but I remembered it during a discussion over sashimi this evening (the sashim