Re: [DNSOP] DNSBL performance optimization, was QNAME minimization can be better

2023-11-13 Thread John R Levine
TL;DR: (IPv4) The benefit of NSEC is fewer queries to the auths which would return NXDOMAIN answers, which improves overall DNSBL lookup performance. It also avoids exploding the negative cache of the resolver. Funny you should mention that. About ten years ago I was trying to figure out how

Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimization can be better, or New Version Notification for draft-levine-qmin-performance-00.txt

2023-11-13 Thread John R Levine
On 14/11/2023 00:56, John R Levine wrote: Once again, I really wish people would stop blaming the victim. That's not useful language. DNSBLs fulfill a purpose but are not victims. People whose privacy is exposed via network traffic are not correctly described as victims but are nonetheless

Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimization can be better, or New Version Notification for draft-levine-qmin-performance-00.txt

2023-11-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 14/11/2023 00:56, John R Levine wrote: Once again, I really wish people would stop blaming the victim. That's not useful language. DNSBLs fulfill a purpose but are not victims. People whose privacy is exposed via network traffic are not correctly described as victims but are nonetheless

Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimization can be better, or New Version Notification for draft-levine-qmin-performance-00.txt

2023-11-13 Thread John R. Levine
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023, Ben Schwartz wrote: What about updating RFC 5782 to remove the "."s? The "."s don't seem to help in any way here (unlike reverse zones, where they enable useful delegations). PS: Some DNSBLs use stunt servers that synthesize the answers, but some are normal DNS zones.

Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimization can be better, or New Version Notification for draft-levine-qmin-performance-00.txt

2023-11-13 Thread John R Levine
Looks good. I am hoping that we can reduce or at least prioritise the different suggestions before it is finalized. I am hoping someone has more data so if there are other places where minimization causes performance problems, we can recognize them and fix them. "little or decrease" ->

Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimization can be better, or New Version Notification for draft-levine-qmin-performance-00.txt

2023-11-13 Thread John R Levine
What about updating RFC 5782 to remove the "."s? The "."s don't seem to help in any way here (unlike reverse zones, where they enable useful delegations). Once again, I really wish people would stop blaming the victim. Rather than telling 100,000 mail servers around the world to change the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping

2023-11-13 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Paul, Thanks for your thoughts. I'd like to address your points below and would very much appreciate your follow-up response. On 11/11/23 12:55, Paul Wouters wrote: I have read the document and I am supportive of the idea, but I find the document not ready. Some issues I have with the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping

2023-11-13 Thread Daniel Migault
I read the draft and support the document moving forward. I find it nice to leverage the secure link between the child zone owner and the DNS hoster. Having the full RRSet in the zone being explicitly mentioned in the document might ease the reading. I have the impression the mechanism could only

Re: [DNSOP] DNS in Constrained Network Scenarios

2023-11-13 Thread Jerry Lundström
On 11/10/23 22:55, Ben Schwartz wrote: Alternatively, you might want to specify a very restrictive "CoAP DNS lookup API", emphasizing that this is not a fully-featured DNS format. +1 to this! I admit I don't know much about CoAP but by the description during the presentation, being