first convert SGML into XML. You can use tools like sx for
> > this task.
So basically, if you can afford a slightly more conplicated build
process, Jirka just said "yes you can" :)
> any idea what debian package might have this tool?
It's available as "sg
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:02:27PM +0100, Jirka Kosek wrote:
> Yann Dirson wrote:
>
> > This is not true as well. Although it has been dormant for a long
> > time, Openjade 1.3.1 and then 1.3.2 were released several months ago.
> > Work is ongoing to incorporate the dev
he full-fledged
page-sequence model, which will allow fancy things like lexible
multi-columning, marginalia, etc.
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On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 08:33:05PM +0300, Alexander Voropay wrote:
> Is seems, this file isn't copyrigted, so you could use it as you
> want.
Hm. IIRC if there is no explicit statement that you can use it as you
like, by default you can't legally do anything with it...
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s of the element
was written, not necessarily how it has to be typeset, right ?
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wish to provide a suggestion, but it looks to me like
> our target output formats both support such elements and attributes,
> so it probably makes sense for our DTD to do likewise.
Well, XSL-FO is completely layout-oriented, and HTML is still striving
to get away from layout-oriented stu
e value of the "lang" attribute, without adding anything new ?
For special cases like the Hebrew numbers, what about going more
semantic and provide a "number" element ?
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are you
> developing your own?
Other information required to help you include:
- what stylesheets you're using (xsl or dsssl)
- what toolchain you use
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it indicates the
> starting line number for that environment is one more than the
> starting line number from the previous environment.
Didn't you mean "one more than the _ending_ line number from the
previous environment."
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cases I couldn't manage to do it.
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eas :)
Maybe people already noticed the way images are currently handled in
docbook is also on my list :)
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Schlienger, Marc wrote:
> What is dbhier.mod?
That's one of the modules of the DTD, which defines elements for the
document hierarchy (book, chapter, etc.). See part about DTD
customisation in DocBook-TDG for this type of info.
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tc.? I
> believe many people are trying DocBook for these purposes, not only for
> Software Doc. DocBook could be a specific type of this GeneralDocBook.
Maybe something like an easily-reusable core DTD, consisting of
dbhier.mod and of general-purpose subset of the rest, with the
"s
for comments such as this one. I think the
>lack of responses isn't really an indication of lack of interest--
>but maybe just an indication that not enough people realize that
>there opinions on these issues aren't of much value. So, let me
>reassure you: y
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> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | I got a user request recently, of being able to group paragraphs in a
> | logical way, but without a title. Usual rendering would just add more
> | int
ook-dsssl doc.
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all your entity defns and references
in a single file (say "entities.ent"), and just referencing this one
from your master doc.
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ith such a
solution.
I was originally thinking about just using and making its
optional. But then we it would allow a and to
contain both simplects with and without a title, which is probably not
what we want.
So this would require yet another section-class element ?
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eric elements in the core DTD, and define
architectural mappings of module elements into the core DTD, so that
domain-specific processors need only know about their own module, even
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That should allow
current dtd-aware authoring tools to provide a more accurate
environement, while still allowing to use standard stylesheets.
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getting it. Using it
with xsltproc, I got a number of parse errors in the LaTeX output.
Ramon, you can consider this to be a bug-report, we can handle this
off-list :)
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nt
(bb|[^b]{2}) ?
> 2. the lame qoustion. There are 2 symbols like minus sign, a short
> one and a long one. so what is the name of these entities?
3 of them indeed: ndash, ndash, and mdash.
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this via
> OpenOffice which has a java API. So I tried opening and saving in StarOffice,
> but here the images are not embedded after saving. So this way is not
> working...
FWIW, PatheticWriter (the wp from the SiagOffice suite) can do some
RTF stuff - maybe it could help you ?
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plicitly identifying the level.
>
> Is this a bug? Does anyone know anything about this behaviour?
There are/were some problems with the level in pdf bookmarks in the
dsssl stylesheets, some of which should have been addressed already.
What version of the stylesheets are you using ?
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ngle-page compact version
(selected by a stylesheet parameter), but I'm not happy with it yet.
XML and PDF: http://ydirson.free.fr/docbook/
stylesheet:
https://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/*checkout*/alcovebook/alcovebook-sgml/stylesheet/dsssl/docbook/print/refcard.dsl?rev=HEAD&a
hive this in docbook? (And yes, I realize this is a presentation
> issue).
The "role" attribute is here for that. You can use for example
and . You'll probably want to write a customisation
layer above the stylesheets, for example to change the "class"
attribute in the
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 04:18:20PM +0200, Stefan Kuhn wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to arrange a table and two media objects in a line, i.
> e. without a line break.
"mediaobject" is a block element. You should use "inlinemediaobject"
for this.
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this requires to extend the DTD. There is an example of this (based
on the 3.1 DTD) in the docbook-dsssl source, under contrib/subdoc/,
but it is quite rough (see limitations in subdoc.dsl).
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r specific
> markup" might contain the same element.
This one is currently in "technical markup", "Operating System", "synopsis"
> not a big deal, just an observation that sometimes a single element
> can be viewed from a couple differ
d usually
that the stylesheet may infer a "default" value from the context,
based on described processing expectations if any.
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p://ftp.ornl.gov/pub/sgml/WG8/DSSSL/
-> html.zip and dsssl*.pdf
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 03:51:43PM +0100, Mário Filipe wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 15:36, Yann Dirson wrote:
>
> > I'd say it depends on your needs - if you give more details we'll be
> > able to give a better answer.
>
> Here are some of the requirem
too
complex (eg. multicolumn changes within a page, images within
headers/footers) this may unfortunately not suit your needs.
OTOH, the general opinion usually expressed on this list is that the
XSL toolchains to produce printed output are less mature than the
DSSSL one.
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or psgml, as it decides not to do automatic indentation
of the list starttag then. But that may be more a bug than itended
behaviour...
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to the reference pages would
be damn useful as well. The DSSSL stylesheet I wrote to format TDG
does produce hyperlinks here (and, indeed, does produce hyperlinks for
every occurence of a SGMLTAG in the document). I don't think I
publicized this stylesheet on this list - it's short enough, pl
rabic/loweralpha specifically ?
When refering to those items you should be using which will
display whatever numbering was assigned...
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t exist in
>current edition ? "id" may be visible after join of documents.
>
> No. Its an error if the id does not exist at parse time.
AFAIK this a generic SGML issue. If you have IDREFs refering to
unexisting IDs your doc is not valid, whatever DTD you use.
Regards
On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 06:09:04AM -0700, Dave Pawson wrote:
> I think that would make a very useful addition to the documentation.
Even a good one for tdg itself...
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would download it [cvs takes a magic wand]
> and put it on a web site for you?
I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect many files in the CVS tree to be
generated ones. Maybe looking at the makefiles would tell which ones,
otherwise probably only Norm knows :)
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This is already done in the standard stylesheets. is
rendered in italics, and is rendered as bold.
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nd we're usually trying to stop users to think about
the layout, when they write their document...
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 07:43:38AM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote:
> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | How do people feel would relate to and ?
>
> You might sell me on deprecating remark in favor of a class of
> annotation, but I think footnote should st
ss an element with another element, that would
make things much clearer...
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ally good ideas.
The problem with putting hrefs in them seems to require such kind of
mechanism...
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n. It shouldn't be that
hard to do the same for marginalia, until Cristian has finished his
work on implementing full page-sequence semantics (see recent
dsssllist archives).
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ybe footnotes could be made the
default processing for , and some annotation classes
(eg. editorial comments) would be possible to render as marginalia.
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:21:06AM -0700, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> It seems to me that marginal notes are an example of where it's hard to
> separate logical structure from presentation.
Why do you think so ?
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with the web server here, just like what the FTP ASCII mode already
does. I guess FTP access would solve the problem ?
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less supplementary that inherit the algorithm of mechanic
typewriters :)
Maybe the best solution would be to provide a README.msdos with the
legacy linefeeds ?
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block to hold other stuff.
What do you think ?
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Debi
is file is not in CVS...
It may be worth checkin in an ebnf-4.2CR.dtd, and "cvs rm" it when 4.2
gets released ?
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it. If you use the correct public Id, and
the forms module is correctly installed (registerd in catalog), it
should be found automatically.
Don't forget the "-d ...stylesheet.dsl" on thecommand-line
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use an XML-aware
jade wrapper that will do that for you (sgml2x does, I suppose
docbook-utils does as well).
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well be the tool itself. The code is
available from CVS, in the perlsgml project at Savannah.gnu.org.
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where
table models are discussed on this list.
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:12:32AM -0700, Carlos wrote:
> Do you have these customizations available for XML/XSL docbook?
No.
> Are there a
> lot of changes to be made to convert them to valid XSL stylesheets?
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http://freesoftware.fsf.org/download/alcovebook/alcovebook-sgml-0.1.0.tar.gz
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n)
> Author1 Author2 Author3
> (1column)
> Abstract
> (2columns)
> Body of paper
For the authors stuff, you should be able to get something working
using a table. That would make ncolumn-switching unnecessary here.
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agedata
attributes, that will be available in DocBook 4.2 (already in a
release-candidate). AFAIK, however, the stylesheets were not updated
yet to use them.
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de article-titlepage-verso-mode
(element revhistory
($revhistory-table$))
(element (revhistory revision)
($revhistory-table-revision$)))
See: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/alcovebook/
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On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 09:15:32AM +1000, Phillip Shelton wrote:
> Try using a role on a note and tweeking the
> stylesheet
As the stylesheets will need to be tweeked anyway, I suggest to use
the role attribute on itself.
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:14:03AM -0500, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote:
> Interfaces are trickier, mostly because they're really Java-specific,
For the record, interfaces are not java-specific. At least
Objective-C has this concept - and this predates Java by nearly a
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*not*
embedded in the file. This basically means that most legacy
filesystems will not store them, and most legacy tools will strip
them, even when transfering across filesystems that support them.
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isions for
> you). Some part of the system (the FO processor) will eventually be
> able to tell how big the image actually is (unless it's a format the
> processor doesn't understand, in which case it isn't going to work
> anyway) and do the right thing.
OK, I see wha
stands for my
"viewportwidth", "contentwidth" stands for my "reproductionwidth", and
we have nothing for my "physicalwidth". Right ?
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the area in which the image is to be reproduced
reproductionwidth
the effective width of the image
If I understand well, in the current proposal "width" stands for my
"reproductionwidth", "contentwidth" stands for my "physicalwidth", and
we have n
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 08:43:24AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> and added a demo at
>
> http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/proposals/graphicatts/demo.html
Cool, that helps to understand what you mean.
> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | On Wed,
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:31:32AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:59:41AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> |> I propose that we add four additional attributes to DocBook graphic
> |> elements
or "right").
>
> valign
> If the scaled content size is shorter than the specified depth,
> the image will be aligned within the depth according to this value
> (one of "top", "middle", or "bottom").
I feel like th
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:43:26AM -0500, Daniel Veillard wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 01:37:53PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote:
> > SPI (spi-inc.org) is the (US) non-profit org that was created to serve
> > as a legal frontend. It now also "hosts" Gnome, Berlin,
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:14:50AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | With definitions something like:
> |
> | nonprofit an organisation with a non-profit legal status under
> | some law (eg. under French law
s are using DocBook, and they would fall in
the "other" category instead.
With definitions something like:
nonprofit an organisation with a non-profit legal status under
some law (eg. under French law "association loi 1901")
informalan organisation w
ac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/perlSGML.html
There is a modified version at:
http://www.utoronto.ca/webdocs/HTMLdocs/HTML_Spec/html.html
with examples of output, like:
http://www.utoronto.ca/webdocs/HTMLdocs/HTML_Spec/html401-strict/DTD-HOME.html
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ylesheets implement this already I suppose.
> Furthermore, it seems like you'd also have some number of people
> writing document-specific stylesheet components, which essentially
> implement the out-of-band formatting I was describing.
Maybe. Finally, I've no real opinion ab
ed.
Hm, I feel using english descriptions (such as "with aspect ration as
defined from width and depth", or such) would somewhat clarify your
expectations. But maybe that's just me :)
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y scaled depth) of
> 100% of the available area. (What constitutes the available area
> depends on the context, of course. In print, it would usually be the
> column width.)
OK that's fine with me - except I feel that `width="100%"
scalefit="1"' shoul
yout-oriented. I guess
that all of them should be handled by the stylesheet, at least as far
as printed output is concerned. For HTML output, I'm afraid that
could cause some problems, but the complexity of the solution does not
change the problem IMHO.
Opinions ?
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On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:37:58PM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> Our plan of record is to add a single new *info element (and not
> EquationInfo, ExampleInfo, etc.). Suggestions for the name of this
> single info element are also solicited.
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in the stylesheet of the additional column. That will
require a customisation layer.
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you would need to define a new flow object, that rely on
the post-processor (eg. jadetex) to find the replacement text for each
page.
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ample that should be
rendered as marginalia, as footnote, and
as endnote.
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ing of this note shall produce one or the other layout
object is a matter style.
OTOH, I does raise a question about the name - it is the
name of a layout item, not of a semantic item, as already shown by the
"end notes" rendering.
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OTOH, it can be seen as a rendering issues of the page-footnote
flow-objects passed to jadetex (they are an extention over DSSSL), and
maybe a small piece of TeX wizardry in a jadetex.cfg could put them
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This way we would use already existing rendering code...
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it's a thing I'll need anyway), so you
> could pre-process sources and then include them as entities.
Sorry to ask - what's yours ?
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:18:23AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> / Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> | In other words, I was thinking of extending the syntax of attributes
> | so that we could write:
> |
> | | whitepaper
>
> I've seen t
amental problem here, in that something that
isn't really an attribute should not use attribute syntax...
This looks more like an abuse, that was made possible by XML's ability
to cope with non-declared stuff, than a structurally thought-out
approach - but I confess I don
the table model used by
Amaya to better suit CALS - which should not be difficult either.
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On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:58:47AM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote:
> What tag should be used for marking up Ant (a Java-based build tool
> similar to make) or Makefile targets? (Simply using seems a bit
> too general to me.)
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Would it make sense to add such "known values" to envvar's class
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eak the structure IMHO. What you want is
more probably a title for the element contained in the listitem. What
elements do you put in there ?
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:15:33PM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote:
> Is there something more specific than for marking up names of
> daemon names? (I would like to know this since I'm writing documentation
> on system administration).
or depending on the
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utside of the current document, which is a
> very powerful new feature.
Right, I did not think of the issue Norm raised about XInclude'd
sub-docs.
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of each
> Page etc)
These are presentation issues, handled by the stylesheets. This is
more in the scope of the docbook-apps mailing-list.
You have to write a customisation layer for the stylesheets. See
http://docbook.sourceforge.net/projects/dsssl/doc/
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:58:45PM +0100, Jirka Kosek wrote:
> Yann Dirson wrote:
>
> > 2. "xlink:href" is, well, much less sexy than "linkend", and the name
> > does not really reflect the semantics attached to the attribute as
> > much as "linke
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 08:13:33AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
>
>
What about instead:
That would allow just to use %xlink-prefix; in subsequent defs.
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