Re: [docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
On 2018-03-06 10:44, Tony Graham wrote: On 06/03/2018 14:44, Niels Müller Larsen wrote: ... I am on Linux, my present web development students on Win or Mac, so cross platform is important, and that was all I wanted to comment on. After installing Emacs, the second thing that I install on any Windows system is the Cygwin tools. With a bash shell running in an Emacs buffer, it's almost like using a rational operating system. FWIW, Windows 10 now has the ability to install a Linux sub-system, basically a bash prompt. You can then use apt-get to install lots of other standard Linux programs. Support for gui apps is not officially supported, but the apps I've tried work if you also install an X-windows server app. I used to use Cygwin, but I prefer the Windows Linux sub-system. Mike Maxwell University of Maryland - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
On 06/03/2018 14:44, Niels Müller Larsen wrote: ... I am on Linux, my present web development students on Win or Mac, so cross platform is important, and that was all I wanted to comment on. After installing Emacs, the second thing that I install on any Windows system is the Cygwin tools. With a bash shell running in an Emacs buffer, it's almost like using a rational operating system. Regards, Tony Graham. -- Senior Architect XML Division Antenna House, Inc. Skerries, Ireland tgra...@antenna.co.jp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
Hi there I was teaching programming to students with Aspergers syndrome 6 months last year in a Windows environment, so I came across bash in the git package. Otherwise I haven't touched Win since 2002 ;) I am on Linux, my present web development students on Win or Mac, so cross platform is important, and that was all I wanted to comment on. Cheers Niels On 03/06/18 15:09, Norman Walsh wrote: Dave Pawson writes: It was probably quite a while since Norm used Windows! I haven’t done any development on a Windows box in this millenium. Be seeing you, norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
Dave Pawson writes: > It was probably quite a while since Norm used Windows! I haven’t done any development on a Windows box in this millenium. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | One should never make one's debut with http://nwalsh.com/| a scandal. One should reserve that to | give interest to one's old age.--Oscar | Wilde signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
On 6 March 2018 at 09:06, Niels Müller Larsen wrote: > Sorry to intrude. > The cross platform comment on bash triggered me. > My students use a bash shell on Windows. It is included, I think, in the git > download for Windows. > > /Niels Yes, though I do wonder how many of todays Windows users would be comfortable working with a bash script Niels? CS students yes, others, I'm less sure. It was probably quite a while since Norm used Windows! regards Dave > > Greetings > Niels Müller Larsen > Senior Lecturer IBA Kolding > Bachelor of Web Development Program > > > >> On 5 Mar 2018, at 17.54, Norman Walsh wrote: >> >> Dave Pawson writes: >>> I stopped at "you don't have to understand it" Norm? >>> ... rude words. >> >> Apologies. No disrespect intended. >> >>> I got as far as ant for builds. I can understand most of that. >>> Bash script... similar? Maybe >>> gradle? Wozzat. >>> >>> Why make it deeper than needs be? >> >> Well…I’m not sure I agree that it’s deeper than it needs to be. >> I’ve been building toolchains for ages: make, ant, bash, perl, >> ruby, python, sbt, etc. etc. etc. >> >> I settled on Gradle because of the advantages I outlined in that >> posting: it’s significantly better than ant for dealing with Maven and >> for extensibility; it’s cross platform (unlike bash); it’s relatively >> easy to install on most platforms (unlike make, perl, etc.); and it >> transparently deals with a whole lot of the backend infrastructure. >> >>Be seeing you, >> norm >> >> -- >> Norman Walsh | The finest amusements are the most >> http://nwalsh.com/| pointless ones.--Jacques Chardonne -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. Docbook FAQ. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
Sorry to intrude. The cross platform comment on bash triggered me. My students use a bash shell on Windows. It is included, I think, in the git download for Windows. /Niels Greetings Niels Müller Larsen Senior Lecturer IBA Kolding Bachelor of Web Development Program > On 5 Mar 2018, at 17.54, Norman Walsh wrote: > > Dave Pawson writes: >> I stopped at "you don't have to understand it" Norm? >> ... rude words. > > Apologies. No disrespect intended. > >> I got as far as ant for builds. I can understand most of that. >> Bash script... similar? Maybe >> gradle? Wozzat. >> >> Why make it deeper than needs be? > > Well…I’m not sure I agree that it’s deeper than it needs to be. > I’ve been building toolchains for ages: make, ant, bash, perl, > ruby, python, sbt, etc. etc. etc. > > I settled on Gradle because of the advantages I outlined in that > posting: it’s significantly better than ant for dealing with Maven and > for extensibility; it’s cross platform (unlike bash); it’s relatively > easy to install on most platforms (unlike make, perl, etc.); and it > transparently deals with a whole lot of the backend infrastructure. > >Be seeing you, > norm > > -- > Norman Walsh | The finest amusements are the most > http://nwalsh.com/| pointless ones.--Jacques Chardonne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
Dave Pawson writes: > My position. > 1. I don't stretch the schema (db simple would likely suffice) > 2. I haven't updated my stylesheets in ages > 3. I build html / pdf with svg ... (500k + words) > 4. I want (need?) to validate as an option. > 5. All files are on my hard drive > > ant lets me pick / choose bits|all > Am I odd? Minority? Majority? I don’t know if you’re in the minority or the majority. You’re definitely in the “I’ve had this working since the previous millenium” group, though. There’s no reason you have to change. That said, if you switch from the 1.0 stylesheets to the 2.0 stylesheets, you’ll find that you need to update your environment with new tools. If you want to do that by grabbing all the jars and installing them locally and setting up your classpath and updating your shell scripts, etc., by all means go for it. I’ve done it that way lots of times. > Who needs steenkin > esisinternet > > Sorry - that quote stuck from dsssl days Norm - bet you've forgotten it. I remember the ESIS. :-) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | We discover in ourselves what others http://nwalsh.com/| hide from us, and we recognize in | others what we hide from | ourselves.--Vauvenargues signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
On 5 March 2018 at 16:54, Norman Walsh wrote: > Dave Pawson writes: >> I stopped at "you don't have to understand it" Norm? >> ... rude words. > > Apologies. No disrespect intended. None taken Norm, just a bit... odd? Especially with our docbook users! > >> I got as far as ant for builds. I can understand most of that. >> Bash script... similar? Maybe >> gradle? Wozzat. >> >> Why make it deeper than needs be? > > Well…I’m not sure I agree that it’s deeper than it needs to be. > I’ve been building toolchains for ages: make, ant, bash, perl, > ruby, python, sbt, etc. etc. etc. > > I settled on Gradle because of the advantages I outlined in that > posting: it’s significantly better than ant for dealing with Maven and > for extensibility; it’s cross platform (unlike bash); it’s relatively > easy to install on most platforms (unlike make, perl, etc.); and it > transparently deals with a whole lot of the backend infrastructure. >From my reading, it sounds like it works, for Norms setup? My 2009 build (ant) still works. I do wonder how wide the network of users are? What versions are in use etc? Hence how gradle / maven etc will work for us? I'll shut up now. regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. Docbook FAQ. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Re: Using the DocBook XSLT 2.0 stylesheets with Gradle
Dave Pawson writes: > I stopped at "you don't have to understand it" Norm? > ... rude words. Apologies. No disrespect intended. > I got as far as ant for builds. I can understand most of that. > Bash script... similar? Maybe > gradle? Wozzat. > > Why make it deeper than needs be? Well…I’m not sure I agree that it’s deeper than it needs to be. I’ve been building toolchains for ages: make, ant, bash, perl, ruby, python, sbt, etc. etc. etc. I settled on Gradle because of the advantages I outlined in that posting: it’s significantly better than ant for dealing with Maven and for extensibility; it’s cross platform (unlike bash); it’s relatively easy to install on most platforms (unlike make, perl, etc.); and it transparently deals with a whole lot of the backend infrastructure. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | The finest amusements are the most http://nwalsh.com/| pointless ones.--Jacques Chardonne signature.asc Description: PGP signature
