n't work. Netscape 4.0x is still very
common, and it doesn't work in that browser. Any idea what percent of
browsers visiting modperl.apache.org are browsers that won't render that
page? I doubt people will upgrade their browsers just because the
modperl.apache.org site doesn
say "it doesn't work" ;)
Well on my Netscape 4.08 the "Welcome to mod_perl" is only an inch (sorry,
2.5cm) wide and all the text is in a column directly below it (the same
width).
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that won't be able to view the mod_perl site at this time.
Then look at the perl.apache.org logs and see if we are currently above or
below that level.
That's all I was pointing out.
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ut looking like style7, but then (in
the case of style6.png) redraws the screen when I scroll or resize. I've
had to limit my use of some sytle settings with Netscape.
http://hank.org/images/style6.png
http://hank.org/images/style7.png
Actually, that simply style7.png is kind
ith .
>I suppose that we can use a conditional require() for the style sheet in
>the section and serve a different CSS for older NS. That's
>possible right? (I didn't do html for a long time)
Oh is the site going to be dynamic? Different tempaltes fo
tion would be to design it as you feel comfortable with, look at
it with different browsers that you know are accessing perl.apache.org and
decide what's acceptable to you. Then ask on the mod_perl list if anyone
has rendering problems.
I realize this is the same kind of thinking that re
present the content it needs
to present, but in a nice, clean way. Maybe some of those ideas can be
used on the mod_perl site.
I hope I don't sound antagonistic, especially considering all the great and
hard work put into the site so far. It'
You mean just run the Makefile.PL to check the dependencies? Is there
anything in that package that isn't in cvs under the modperl-docs/lib
directory?
BTW, is DocSet a complete rewrite of Pod::HtmlPsPdf?
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n. They use lots
of "air" on their pages.
If you mean the links at the top and bottom, then those are also nice and
clean. I like that. They use muted colors and simple texts links, which
are nice. Most people don't need the links to scream at them to be able to
realize they are li
lly, I can't thank you enough for all your work over the years.
Plus everyone that is putting time into the new site is very much
appreciated. Hopefully once it is up it won't require too much time to
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he design,
yet the only thing on the page is really the content and the navigation.
What else do you need? That's an extreme example, of course.
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ce the colors are so
similar. Is that the same for everyone else?
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/mod_perl_site/var_d/download/bundles.html
http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/
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So, what's your opinion of http://www.w3schools.com/xml/default.asp?
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produce bullet lists is unnecessary in most cases -- just use links.
I think the headings, in general, overpower the look of the site.
Again, just my opinions, but I think they are basic enough design ideas. I
think http://digital-word.com/ is a reasonably summary.
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>Again, just my opinions, but I think they are basic enough design ideas. I
>think http://digital-word.com/ is a reasonably summary.
Damn frames! Follow the "Web Solutions" link.
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>> At 10:55 AM 01/13/02 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
>>
>>>Again, just my opinions, but I think they are basic enough design ideas. I
>>>think http://digital-word.com/ is a reasonably summary.
we need a TLA (three letter acronym). mod_perl 2 is coming, so we
could use MP2. Oh, that falls apart on version 3 ;).
Now, way off topic:
On a more serious note, and something I mentioned on the mod_perl users
list: Why not form an Association of mod_perl Programmers? Use due
assume there's a way to build different versions of the site by
>> specifying different template directories?
>
>
>That's what we do now. But currently there is only one version under cvs.
I was wondering how I do it on my machine. I'll
out something like: bin/build --tmpl-dir=tmpl_other
>Or even better if you work with cvs:
>
>cvs co -d modperl-docs-one modperl-docs
>cvs co -d modperl-docs-two modperl-docs
>cvs co -d modperl-docs-three modperl-docs
Ok, that
andal dancing (no, scratch that last one)... connects people to
the technology.
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professional, have come to the reduce with mod_perl/perl.
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Damn spell checkers:
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>Ok, so much for crazy ideas. But I got to tell you, after screwing with
>that sailing site a few weeks ago trying to come up with a design of my
>own, it sure was nice (and time saving) having a design professional
At 10:22 AM 01/19/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
>http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
Here's a netscape image:
http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
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>> Here's a netscape image:
>>
>> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
>
>hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
>
>which netscape, which os?
Oh sorry. That's 4.08 (4.07?) on Win98
e the 'sale' points.
Like Chris does with OI? Sure why not. I'd rather have a single point on
the web for mod_perl, but that's just my opinion.
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>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>stas, thomas?
mozilla 0.9.7 seems to work ok on Windows. Is the menu suppose to be a box
inside a box?
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Hey, I kind of like that simple menu without the lines.
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uckily, I think for the most part mod_perl's content is reasonably
consistent.
Seems I can no longer ignore my drive errors on my cvs machine -- Samba is
failing to work on that machine, too, now. Yikes! Just what I need.
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Stas, I wonder if the bottom navigation and "Top" can be suppressed for
very small content. Looks kind of silly for really small pages.
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>- opera 5+ (mac) +1
>- ns4+ (mac) +1 (apart from commode menu)
>- useable without stylesheets +1
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8000 .eml files on my share I have for my Linux dev machine. No wonder
Samba seemed slow.
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test
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n have the search facility? What do you say?
Sure, no problem. I've got a generic search script that works with TT, so
we should be able to use the same templates as the rest of the site.
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>> At 12:20 PM 1/26/2002 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
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>>>Bill, I guess this is a question mainly to you as you are somewhat
>>>involved with apache.org search. I said that we add the sear
t the site is not that large, especially
if it was limited to just the docs section.
All the reverse indexing engines will parse on indexing, so it will always
be an issue of defining what makes up a word.
Let me ask Avi Rappoport if there's something good for se
n source, and it's not free. I
really doubt it integrates with Template Toolkit.
Could we feed the pod source into Parse::RecDescent and get it to tokenize
perl code? That would be more fun.
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indexing.
The parsing of a tiny query wouldn't take long. But I was also kind of
joking, but it would be interesting, too.
I'm not sure what to parse into. Should $x++ get parsed into "$x", "$x++",
or "$x and ++"?
Do a normal indexed search for most, but offer an option to search for perl
code and then use fgrep.
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enu is obvious, but a bit boring. What about a header bar of a
different color?
Still does not render in NS4.x.
Is using a rewrite for running two sites OK? How else is the NS4 issue
going to be solved without using tables?
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d use that with CGI
scripts outside of DocSet.
I like the first idea better, as it separates TT from DocSet. Plus it
allows a TT driven site to be enhanced by DocSet instead of trying to make
DocSet do everything.
But, of course, you probably
dy and
>used by the CacheNavigate to build all the index.html files, menus and
>pre|next navigations. Without it you will have to rebuild the whole site
>when you change one file.
Right, but how does a CGI script that is outside of DocSet make use of that
data?
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"comment", but libxml2 (correctly) seems that as CDATA and it was indexed.
Libxml2 makes it easy to add
IgnoreTags script style
And fixed.
One more bug to fix before I sign off.
Let me know when you can generate a template for the search script to use.
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> HEAD -S http://localhost/guide
HEAD http://localhost/guide --> 500 Internal Server Error
> cat .htaccess
RedirectMatch Permanent /guide/ /docs/1.0/guide/
> HEAD -S http://localhost/guide
HEAD http://localhost/guide --> 404 Not Found
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ns about design vs. browsers, at this time. ;)
>I don't hate IE, since I don't use win32 :)
New machine arrives next week. Then I can answer that way, too. I hope.
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Do you like the little rounded graphics on the top of the menus on amazon.com?
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I actually like it. Maybe because it's because it's a new look. Still
think a A:hover couldn't hurt for the menu. I forget, why isn't there a
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Thanks very much. And thanks to your designer!
BTW -- I often find it hard to connect to your site.
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>But may be we need to have more people throwing in their ideas before we
>start deciding on the new logo?
How long did you want to work on this site? ;)
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Apache::DBI, and the real standard
building blocks that are commonly used. In other words, follow these ten
steps and now you have a platform for building high-end, scalable
applications. Just something to cut down on the TIMTOWTDI confusion when
first starting out.
Just some random thoughts
- er, what other two logos?
The two that have been on the mod_perl dev examples lately. Were there
more than two?
>So do I! Damn and blast it, it's running on a Windows box...
I think it might be your upstream provider, as sometimes
't an issue. Everytime I've worked on a site
it's been hard to get input when I need it. But soon as I release it
everyone has an idea about a change. Then when I change something at
someone's request everyone else then asks for it back. You can't win.
But I think someone going to the mod_perl site
might expect to find a simple tutorial. I'm talking about showing how to
get a content handler to work in about three or four paragraphs. Something
that makes someone thing "Gee, that's easy, I can do that."
I'm have t
ry to make it right. If you can make a concise doc
>covering the basics and we can stop there, it'd be great. But I don't
>think it's easily do-able. that's why you should try, if you think you
>know-how.
Ok,
that would still allow to stay wide, yet have the
navigation widget be on the upper right of the window?
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INCLUDE top_link;
END;
"";
""
END;
"";
The idea is then I could probably use HTML::TreeBuilder and grab each
section one-by-one, combine with the for the entire page, and index
that.
I could also simply use a regex to split up the page, but TreeB
$title->push_content(": $text_title");
+$head->push_content( $title );
+}
+
+
+
+my $body = HTML::Element->new('body');
+my $doc = HTML::Element->new('html');
+
+$body->push_content( $section );
+$doc->push_content( $hea
lly, just to do it "Right".
>I have suggested before to add instead. That's the
>safes method, no?
As you may have seen by now, with wrapping in I can use
HTML::Element's look_down() to fetch these sections of the tree for me.
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on building their site at:
http://www.evolt.org/article/rating/20/5816/ -- of course, there's lots of
examples about using NS4 with styesheets online. Lots of other examples on
ALA one example: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/sizematters/
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Right. This is also the @import trick, but I'm not sure if one method is
better than the other. Can we add rewrite directives to httpd.conf on
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mall bar with the search box at
http://www.linux.com/. Too bad their icon is busted.
Maybe a radio group like:
--- [search]
o Entire site o This Section (Documentation)
Or has this already been discussed?
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global in nature (in that they are on
most pages) but the title is for that specific page. Just looks a bit odd
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oving elsewhere. What about pdf/src?
I'm running out of time until Friday. I assume it's an easy template
change to move the title below all that stuff? Even though the pdf/src
widgets are directly related to that page they are still common page
elements, so they might not look that bad. I
At 03:23 PM 2/7/2002 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
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>>>Yeah, I thought about this. I'm not sure how to tell the template to do
>>>a different thing. What's the rule? Ideas? Must be some config argument.
>>>
>>
>> Easy. Add
. Just looks a bit odd
For another example:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Reference/Products/ActivePerl/lib/Pod/perlipc.html
Keeps the content more together, I think. (I don't think that page is
fantastic, but it does show the title with the content and the nav above,
that'
. I only have
a slight preference for one over the other.
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>Bill Moseley wrote:
>> I like the menu (menugame.html), but I also think it's are a bit
>> over-powering for the rest of the page, and it bugs me that I can't link
>> anyplace in the box. In general, I think the simpler
ter "apache",
which would typically find Apache::Registry. That's more flexible.
The problem is teaching people how to search. Nobody would expect to
search for (with quotes) "apache::registry". I'm trying to modify swish
so that ranking is adjusted for how close words are together, so a
multi-word search (such as [apache registry]) would rank the phrases
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with the TT params before calling process().
Or maybe just a map in the config file that adds variables to matching
pages.
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_ I'm searching for perl code
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safe thing ;).
I think most people searching for perl code can handle dealing with a check
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>to be indexed, but that's not very good since it's an active
>punctuation used in text.
Hum, $! and $? and should { and } be used: $SIG{PIPE} ?
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[% PROCESS results_list %]
[% IF search.navigation('hits') > search.config('page_size');
PROCESS nav_bar; END %]
Can I (should I) capture the output from PROCESS nav_bar so I'm not
PROCESSing two times? Do I need
s that what you had?
>not that my mind works now :) but sure you can [% foo = PROCESS bar %]
Hum, have to try it again -- I thought I tried that.
I'm still thinking about how to search perl code
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search.tt template uses to set colors -- so that could be updated to
better generate a matching page with the rest of the site. That's all I
meant.
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Not Found
Removing very common words...
no words removed.
Writing main index...
Sorting words ...
Sorting 10651 words alphabetically
Writing header ...
Writing index entries ...
Writing word text: Complete
Writing word hash: Com
Oops, sorry I meant to trim that last message.
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I think writing a spider might be up their with writing a templating system
as a perl rite of passage. ;)
Thanks. I'll peek at your code again.
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like that is a reasonable thing to do, as it doesn't really change what
happens on the page if they don't have javascript enabled, and it means you
can just type and hit enter.
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n maybe you
didn't intend to search.
Depends on the site, and how you are using it. For me, I would often times
go to perl.apache.org, and do a search first thing, since I typically know
(or think I know) what I'm looking for. So in that case it's nice not to
have to click in the b
we add it or not. sounds good?
Ok, I'll grab it from google later tonight when I get some time.
Also, what will it take to get the search working on the test site, Stas?
Is there anything I need to do or help with?
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>
>Thanks
Well, this seems to work in tmpl/custom/html/head
I poked around a bit at Javascript sites and found out the real danger with
Javascript -- all the Javascript sites have
act of life? Maybe a solution
there it so use javascript -- reload on resize?
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>> Oh, I just resized in NS4 and see that the site still falls apart -- that
>> is all the text in the content section ends up in a single narrow long
>> column.
ge, we should follow google's setup to avoid the error message.
Does it matter if it doesn't focus in NS4?
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Let's come back to this issue later.
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I think the most portable solution would be to render all in text/plain....
No, then IE screws that up!
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x27;t believe in it for
technical reasons, I'll go along with that, too.
Again, what about using single pixel border style on the text box so that
it looks more like the single line around the prev|next widget? Or does
that break in NS4, too?
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these problems with NS4, but it's my favorite client for
testing dynamically generated sites. IE caches too much, oh, and I can't
stand that it won't take in the Address bar: mardy:5000 -- why do I need
to type http:// -- geeze.
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y someone will tell me how to make
it faster! I've asked on Perlmonks, but I've not had great luck there (I
think it's a more complicated problem than can be answered in a short
lookover by someone. Someday I'll write it in C, but I'm
At 11:33 AM 03/07/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
> From looking at the source, you've lost 3 hidden input vars.
Yes, I don't think they are needed. You will need to add one back to limit
searches to a section of tree, though.
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To follow up to myself, still can't search things like $SIG{ALRM} very
well, even with Buzzwords (because "ALRM" messes it up). I to do it really
right we need a perl tokenizer, but that may be trying too hard (and too
trying, as well ;).
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suppose to
help find the page you are looking for, not specific words on the final
document. When I use google's cached pages I find the highlighted words
awkward and in the way.
Besides, our search results take you to the section of the document anyway,
so I see no reason for high
ntifier names,
either. Many of the designs offered didn't use the underscore as well.
And the design that won didn't use one. It's a design -- it doesn't have
to be accurate to the name.
Besides, if it changes does it mean that the winning design r
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:03:06 +0800
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm back to work on the search, Bill.
>
> A question here: is it possible to index from filesystem and not via the
> webserver? I think you can.
It's possible to index the file system, sure. I think it's best to spider
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:22:36 +0800
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok, it's just that's much slower to index via web.
How long is it taking? I think it was only about a minute on my machine. Ok,
a minute and a half:
1281 files indexed. 3867312 total bytes. 321057 total words.
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