Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Hi Sophie,
Sophie píše v Pá 26. 02. 2016 v 13:51 +0100:
> > Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> > help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> > wikihelp].
>
> Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
> already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
> able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
> So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
> on a webservice?
That's the hope, yes.
> And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?
No point in maintaining 2 services doing the same work; so once the
pages generated directly from .xhp's are better than those from
wikihelp, I can imagine the switch & slowly abandoning wikihelp
("freeze" it and make available only for old versions, or so).
> > Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> > that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> > changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.
>
> I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
> technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?
With working directly on .xhp's, the extended tooltips are not a blocker
any more, can be extracted or not, neither of these possibilities is a
problem.
All the best,
Kendy
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Hi Sophie, All Em 26/02/2016 09:51, Sophie escreveu: > Hi Kendy, > Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : >> Hi, >> (snip) > > Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's > already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be > able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing. > So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and > on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case? I'm no wizzard of web technology so I had to start the long march with the first step which is the proof of concept. In this particular case the difference between a online and local help service is a change in the protocol (from html:// to file://, which I had not solved yet) and all the rest is the same. On the wikihelp, I don't think it has to be abandonned. "Au contraire", it has matured and it works. Let's stay with the wikihelp, until the other solution proves better. (snip) > > I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a > technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem? One of the challenges. Regards -- Olivier Hallot Comunidade LibreOffice http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Hi, Em 26/02/2016 09:34, Jan Holesovsky escreveu: > Hi, > > Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100: > >> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a >> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, >> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally: >> >> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors) >> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs), >> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world) >> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above) > > Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the > help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current > wikihelp]. Currently for evaluation: http://hc3.edx.srv.br and is work in progress. I restored the navigation and I left ugly styles to make sure it will be improved one day. > > For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more > conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the > user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody > from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)] > > Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web > developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too > slow. > > I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create > such a webservice - any objections, please? Absolutely not. +1000. > > Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out > that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and > changing all the tools and workflows is too much work. modulo the insertion on the in each xhp file, which is easily automated and should not change a pixel in the display. regards -- Olivier Hallot Comunidade LibreOffice http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Hi Kendy, Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : > Hi, > > Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100: > >> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a >> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, >> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally: >> >> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors) >> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs), >> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world) >> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above) > > Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the > help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current > wikihelp]. Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing. So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case? > > For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more > conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the > user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody > from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)] > > Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web > developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too > slow. > > I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create > such a webservice - any objections, please? not on my side :) > > Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out > that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and > changing all the tools and workflows is too much work. I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem? Thanks, Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Hi, Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100: > In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a > better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, > with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally: > > 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors) > 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs), > 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world) > 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above) Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current wikihelp]. For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)] Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too slow. I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create such a webservice - any objections, please? Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and changing all the tools and workflows is too much work. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New writer
Hi Andrew, Olivier Hallot píše v Čt 25. 02. 2016 v 12:39 -0300: > Welcome Andrew > > Skilled writers are a jewel we care. > > Please follow the advise of the landing page of ODFAuthors.org to get > your account: > > "Please write to webmas...@odfauthors.org and request an account. (We > had to stop self-registration because of too many spam accounts.) But > first! Please subscribe to the odfauthors-discuss mailing list and > introduce yourself." > > Looking forward to see you in our documentation community. Welcome indeed! :-) What are you most interested in, please - writing new documentation? Or improving the existing one? In which area? [Writer / Calc / Impress / Base / anything else?] We are currently trying to improve the LibreOffice help system; many new LibreOffice features are not documented at all, and we should fix that. Is that something you'd be interested in helping with? - we will be happy to bootstrap you there. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
