[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Duncan Lithgow
Hi good people

I was just wondering how I can get a log in to the LibreOffice help
wiki? I've bumped into a few things that need some work. I simply
couldn't find anywhere to register for an account.

Cheers, Duncan

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker


Le 26/03/2011 13:12, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


You can't change the help content in the wiki currently.


Curious, isn't it? Isn't a wiki aimed at everyone's involvement?

Does currently mean that this policy could change in the future? IMO, 
it should, and  quickly.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide status question re angle brackets in paths

2011-03-26 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker


Le 26/03/2011 02:37, Barbara Duprey a écrit :


Besides being arrows, they're also in OOoComputerCode style (Liberation
Sans Mono), and they'd be better back in OOoMenuPath. That would take
longer than the simple FR, right?


The AltSearch extension might be of help here.

Thus, IMO, these Find and replace operations are non-issues.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi Jean-François,
On 26/03/2011 15:54, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:


Le 26/03/2011 13:12, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


You can't change the help content in the wiki currently.


Curious, isn't it? Isn't a wiki aimed at everyone's involvement?

Does currently mean that this policy could change in the future? IMO,
it should, and quickly.


I don't know how to maintain a localization on a wiki and in the product 
at the same time, so if you know any ways to achieve it, please, just 
tell us and we will use it.


Kind regards
Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Duncan Lithgow
Good hear that the wiki will be opened up once the technology is in
place. I think the way that the LibreOffice help links to the wiki is
a great start - now we just need the wiki to work for us when we see
something that needs attention.

I'm the kind of editor who will often check things in the online help
and just correct any mistakes or unclear phrases used. So going
through a bug filing process to correct documentation? No thanks. I
sometimes get swamped with the bugs I track already.

I'll keep my ears open for the solution when it arrives.

All the best, Duncan

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker


Hello Sophie,

Le 26/03/2011 13:57, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


I don't know how to maintain a localization on a wiki and in the product
at the same time, so if you know any ways to achieve it, please, just
tell us and we will use it.


Just to make things clear: I do know how much work it is to manage such 
a software as LibO. Precisely, don't you think that opening to the 
masses by unlocking the wiki might help?


My 2 euro-cents.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi Jean-François,
On 26/03/2011 16:58, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:


Hello Sophie,

Le 26/03/2011 13:57, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


I don't know how to maintain a localization on a wiki and in the product
at the same time, so if you know any ways to achieve it, please, just
tell us and we will use it.


Just to make things clear: I do know how much work it is to manage such
a software as LibO. Precisely, don't you think that opening to the
masses by unlocking the wiki might help?


Then how do you manage the localization work flow in the wiki? How will 
you maintain the help files in the product in the different languages? 
Of course, that will save everybody's time to get a solution, but I'm 
not aware of any.


Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Duncan Lithgow
These questions should be directed to Shaun McCance since he's
organizing the Open Help Conference for June. So I've CCed him.

Shaun we're talking about how to manage documentation wiki in multiple
languages - what solutions are there and is LibreOffice aware of them?
Perhaps you can reply with the names of some projects we should be
aware of?

Cheers, Duncan

On 26 March 2011 15:25, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Jean-François,
 On 26/03/2011 16:58, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

 Hello Sophie,

 Le 26/03/2011 13:57, Sophie Gautier a écrit :

 I don't know how to maintain a localization on a wiki and in the product
 at the same time, so if you know any ways to achieve it, please, just
 tell us and we will use it.

 Just to make things clear: I do know how much work it is to manage such
 a software as LibO. Precisely, don't you think that opening to the
 masses by unlocking the wiki might help?

 Then how do you manage the localization work flow in the wiki? How will you
 maintain the help files in the product in the different languages? Of
 course, that will save everybody's time to get a solution, but I'm not aware
 of any.

 Kind regards
 Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

2011-03-26 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 20:35 +0100, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
 These questions should be directed to Shaun McCance since he's
 organizing the Open Help Conference for June. So I've CCed him.
 
 Shaun we're talking about how to manage documentation wiki in multiple
 languages - what solutions are there and is LibreOffice aware of them?
 Perhaps you can reply with the names of some projects we should be
 aware of?

I'm not sure I'm necessarily the person to ask. I'm not the one
making LibreOffice documentation happen. I'm just trying to bring
people together, so they can all share problems and experiences
just like this.

Many projects do a sort of hybrid wiki/controlled documentation
approach. For instance, Ubuntu has built-in help (much of which
comes from upstream projects) which they also build out to the
web. Then they also have their community documentation wiki.
I think theirs is English only though.

The Mozilla Developer Network does have multiple languages, but
I don't know whether they do it with message-based translations
or all-out new content for other languages. I think their site
runs Mindtouch.

And of course, though it's not documentation, Wikipedia is the
most successful multi-lingual wiki ever. I'm pretty sure their
non-English content is written from scratch, not translated.
I don't know if they've got tools in place to make it easier
to borrow content from and track changes to pages in other
languages.

I don't want to push any technologies here. But I'm happy to
share my experiences or connect you to people who can share
theirs.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference

2011-03-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Hal, *,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2011, 00:33:44 schrieb Hal Parker:

(...)
 
 This sounds like a good opportunity, if anyone can get there. Do we have
 any active documenters/ help producers in North America? And would TDF be
 willing to pay the US$100 registration fee and travel costs for one or
 more attendees?
 

I don't think that the TDF will pay currently for this. The TDF is no legal 
entity at 
the moment. It had to be set up (legally) and then the board of the TDF can 
create a 
finance plan that hopefully covers some travel expenses in its marketing 
section.

At the moment you should search for a sponsor, if you want to attend an event 
and 
don't want to pay everything by your own.

Regards,
Andreas

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