[libreoffice-documentation] Status of draft Contributors' Guide

2020-07-17 Thread Jean Weber 
I have made some changes to the Front Matter and Chapters 1-4 of the
draft Contributors' Guide following reviews by PK and JS. I have also
left some comments, questions, and encouragement for input from team
members, especially regarding Ch4 (Style Guide). Files are in the
Drafts folder for the book.

Chapter 4 contains a lot of material on technical writing that was
added many years ago when the OO team was just beginning to write the
first versions of the user guides. I think a lot of this material
could simply be removed; not that it's wrong, but that it's not
necessary in this document. I left comments in relevant places. Ch4
also has out of date styles in use, but that can be dealt with later.

I am working on Chapter 5 (Using the Chapter Template) and the
template itself, to bring them up to date with discussions we've had
on this list. I hope to have an updated draft uploaded by tomorrow.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] WG6411-Images

2020-07-17 Thread Jean Weber 
Colleen,
Thank you for catching some major errors - things I had not noticed had
changed - as well as minor ones. I’ve now published the chapter.
Jean

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 03:39 Colleen Hayes 
wrote:

> All,
>
> Writer Guide 6.4 Chapter 11 is now in the feedback folder after first
> review.
>
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>
> Colleen Hayes
> pronouns: she/her/hers
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question re. Contributor Guide

2020-07-17 Thread Jean Weber 
Felipe,

Thank you for the suggestion. As DaveB said, most of the list is
already in the Contributors Guide, but I think it could perhaps be
expanded and/or presented a bit differently. I’ll look at that when I
go through the guide making the latest corrections and updates.

Jean

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 06:30 Felipe Viggiano  wrote:
>
> Hello Dave,
>
> Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. By "attachment in the Contributors
> Guide", I meant in the form of an appendix (2 pages max.) at the end of the
> book with some sort of starting guidance for beginners, no intention to
> propose big changes in the document.
> I just thought that it would be a good solution to standardize newcomers'
> work on reviews.
>
> But I understand and agree with your point of view, there is a lot of work
> to do in more essential documents, and the team should be focused on
> finishing these.
>
> Best regards,
> Felipe Viggiano
>
>
> Em sex., 17 de jul. de 2020 às 16:30, DaveB  escreveu:
>
> > Hi Felipe,
> >
> > It's unclear what you mean by "attachment in the Contributors Guide".
> > Most of the steps you outline are covered in the Contributor Guide.
> > After all these years the Contributors Guide (both document and wiki) is
> > still work in progress.
> >
> > Not wishing to downgrade your idea, but now that there are finally an
> > almost reasonable number of team contributors and good progress being
> > made with the guides, what needs to be done is for the Documentation
> > Team to concentrate their efforts on completing the Contributors Guide
> > to sustain the momentum that has started in enlisting and supporting new
> > contributors. Drew's presentation is another useful move in this direction.
> >
> > Years ago I pushed for this as part of the effort to engage new
> > contributors, but it never achieved the necessary traction. So please do
> > not waste the opportunity you have now.
> >
> > Regards
> > Dave
> >
> > On 17/07/2020 19:18, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
> > > Hello Samantha,
> > >
> > > Thinking about new contributors, I'd like to make a suggestion.
> > >
> > > I am under the impression that you are a technical writer, is that
> > correct?
> > > So, what do you feel about putting a really simple procedure-like
> > > attachment in the Contributors Guide in order to direct the tasks for a
> > > beginner?
> > >
> > > It could be something very basic and clear, here's a little example for a
> > > new reviewer:
> > >
> > > "Step #1. Check if the cover is updated with the new template and
> > version;
> > >  Step #2. Check if the number of pages is matching with the index;
> > >  Step #3. Check if all the dates are spelling part or all of the month
> > > (According to Style Guide page 2)
> > > ... "
> > >
> > > I don't know, just thought that it could help newcomers (just like
> > myself)
> > > starting in the tasks and give a relief for the more experienced and
> > > professional ones, allowing them to focus on the advanced issues.
> > >
> > > Please, everyone in the list, feel free to comment about that.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Felipe Viggiano
> > >
> > >
> > > Em qui., 16 de jul. de 2020 às 16:33, Samantha Hamilton <
> > > samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> > >
> > >> Hello All,
> > >>
> > >> Just reflecting after the meeting today, re. Drew's presentation about
> > "how
> > >> new contributors should on-board," I was curious about the progress of
> > the
> > >> Contributors Guide. The Wiki (
> > >>
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guides)
> > >> mentions chapters being revised. During my explorations on NextCloud, I
> > saw
> > >> that a newer Contributor Resources guide is in process.
> > >>
> > >> Jean - I noticed that you are helping to write these. Is there anything
> > you
> > >> need help with, by way of readthroughs or copyediting?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Sam
> > >>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question re. Contributor Guide

2020-07-17 Thread Felipe Viggiano 
Hello Dave,

Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. By "attachment in the Contributors
Guide", I meant in the form of an appendix (2 pages max.) at the end of the
book with some sort of starting guidance for beginners, no intention to
propose big changes in the document.
I just thought that it would be a good solution to standardize newcomers'
work on reviews.

But I understand and agree with your point of view, there is a lot of work
to do in more essential documents, and the team should be focused on
finishing these.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano


Em sex., 17 de jul. de 2020 às 16:30, DaveB  escreveu:

> Hi Felipe,
>
> It's unclear what you mean by "attachment in the Contributors Guide".
> Most of the steps you outline are covered in the Contributor Guide.
> After all these years the Contributors Guide (both document and wiki) is
> still work in progress.
>
> Not wishing to downgrade your idea, but now that there are finally an
> almost reasonable number of team contributors and good progress being
> made with the guides, what needs to be done is for the Documentation
> Team to concentrate their efforts on completing the Contributors Guide
> to sustain the momentum that has started in enlisting and supporting new
> contributors. Drew's presentation is another useful move in this direction.
>
> Years ago I pushed for this as part of the effort to engage new
> contributors, but it never achieved the necessary traction. So please do
> not waste the opportunity you have now.
>
> Regards
> Dave
>
> On 17/07/2020 19:18, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
> > Hello Samantha,
> >
> > Thinking about new contributors, I'd like to make a suggestion.
> >
> > I am under the impression that you are a technical writer, is that
> correct?
> > So, what do you feel about putting a really simple procedure-like
> > attachment in the Contributors Guide in order to direct the tasks for a
> > beginner?
> >
> > It could be something very basic and clear, here's a little example for a
> > new reviewer:
> >
> > "Step #1. Check if the cover is updated with the new template and
> version;
> >  Step #2. Check if the number of pages is matching with the index;
> >  Step #3. Check if all the dates are spelling part or all of the month
> > (According to Style Guide page 2)
> > ... "
> >
> > I don't know, just thought that it could help newcomers (just like
> myself)
> > starting in the tasks and give a relief for the more experienced and
> > professional ones, allowing them to focus on the advanced issues.
> >
> > Please, everyone in the list, feel free to comment about that.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Felipe Viggiano
> >
> >
> > Em qui., 16 de jul. de 2020 às 16:33, Samantha Hamilton <
> > samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Just reflecting after the meeting today, re. Drew's presentation about
> "how
> >> new contributors should on-board," I was curious about the progress of
> the
> >> Contributors Guide. The Wiki (
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guides)
> >> mentions chapters being revised. During my explorations on NextCloud, I
> saw
> >> that a newer Contributor Resources guide is in process.
> >>
> >> Jean - I noticed that you are helping to write these. Is there anything
> you
> >> need help with, by way of readthroughs or copyediting?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Sam
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question re. Contributor Guide

2020-07-17 Thread DaveB 
Hi Felipe,

It's unclear what you mean by "attachment in the Contributors Guide".
Most of the steps you outline are covered in the Contributor Guide.
After all these years the Contributors Guide (both document and wiki) is
still work in progress.

Not wishing to downgrade your idea, but now that there are finally an
almost reasonable number of team contributors and good progress being
made with the guides, what needs to be done is for the Documentation
Team to concentrate their efforts on completing the Contributors Guide
to sustain the momentum that has started in enlisting and supporting new
contributors. Drew's presentation is another useful move in this direction.

Years ago I pushed for this as part of the effort to engage new
contributors, but it never achieved the necessary traction. So please do
not waste the opportunity you have now.

Regards
Dave

On 17/07/2020 19:18, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
> Hello Samantha,
>
> Thinking about new contributors, I'd like to make a suggestion.
>
> I am under the impression that you are a technical writer, is that correct?
> So, what do you feel about putting a really simple procedure-like
> attachment in the Contributors Guide in order to direct the tasks for a
> beginner?
>
> It could be something very basic and clear, here's a little example for a
> new reviewer:
>
> "Step #1. Check if the cover is updated with the new template and version;
>  Step #2. Check if the number of pages is matching with the index;
>  Step #3. Check if all the dates are spelling part or all of the month
> (According to Style Guide page 2)
> ... "
>
> I don't know, just thought that it could help newcomers (just like myself)
> starting in the tasks and give a relief for the more experienced and
> professional ones, allowing them to focus on the advanced issues.
>
> Please, everyone in the list, feel free to comment about that.
>
> Best regards,
> Felipe Viggiano
>
>
> Em qui., 16 de jul. de 2020 às 16:33, Samantha Hamilton <
> samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Just reflecting after the meeting today, re. Drew's presentation about "how
>> new contributors should on-board," I was curious about the progress of the
>> Contributors Guide. The Wiki (
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guides)
>> mentions chapters being revised. During my explorations on NextCloud, I saw
>> that a newer Contributor Resources guide is in process.
>>
>> Jean - I noticed that you are helping to write these. Is there anything you
>> need help with, by way of readthroughs or copyediting?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sam
>>



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question re. Contributor Guide

2020-07-17 Thread Felipe Viggiano 
Samantha,

I'm thinking in a very direct stepwise guide. Basically a checklist
instructing beginners in what's important to check in the documents.

With cautions to make sure the reader understands that the document
presents only some good starting points as you said, and feel free to check
for others discrepancies.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em sex., 17 de jul. de 2020 às 15:58, Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Filipe,
>
> That sounds like a fun little project to write up. I am curious---do you
> mean a newcomers reference guide for editing processes? like, "Ten things
> to watch out for when reviewing," or a stepwise guide for newcomers
> detailing what review projects are a good starting point (i.e., covers,
> reference pages, etc.)?
>
> Cheers,
> Sam.
>
>   Samantha Hamilton
>   darling docs
>
>   
> 
> 
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 2:20 PM Felipe Viggiano 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Samantha,
>>
>> Thinking about new contributors, I'd like to make a suggestion.
>>
>> I am under the impression that you are a technical writer, is that
>> correct?
>> So, what do you feel about putting a really simple procedure-like
>> attachment in the Contributors Guide in order to direct the tasks for a
>> beginner?
>>
>> It could be something very basic and clear, here's a little example for a
>> new reviewer:
>>
>> "Step #1. Check if the cover is updated with the new template and version;
>>  Step #2. Check if the number of pages is matching with the index;
>>  Step #3. Check if all the dates are spelling part or all of the month
>> (According to Style Guide page 2)
>> ... "
>>
>> I don't know, just thought that it could help newcomers (just like myself)
>> starting in the tasks and give a relief for the more experienced and
>> professional ones, allowing them to focus on the advanced issues.
>>
>> Please, everyone in the list, feel free to comment about that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felipe Viggiano
>>
>>
>> Em qui., 16 de jul. de 2020 às 16:33, Samantha Hamilton <
>> samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > Just reflecting after the meeting today, re. Drew's presentation about
>> "how
>> > new contributors should on-board," I was curious about the progress of
>> the
>> > Contributors Guide. The Wiki (
>> >
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guides
>> )
>> > mentions chapters being revised. During my explorations on NextCloud, I
>> saw
>> > that a newer Contributor Resources guide is in process.
>> >
>> > Jean - I noticed that you are helping to write these. Is there anything
>> you
>> > need help with, by way of readthroughs or copyediting?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sam
>> >
>> >   Samantha Hamilton
>> >   darling docs
>> >
>> >    <
>> > https://github.com/samanthahamilton>
>> > 
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question re. Contributor Guide

2020-07-17 Thread Samantha Hamilton 
Filipe,

That sounds like a fun little project to write up. I am curious---do you
mean a newcomers reference guide for editing processes? like, "Ten things
to watch out for when reviewing," or a stepwise guide for newcomers
detailing what review projects are a good starting point (i.e., covers,
reference pages, etc.)?

Cheers,
Sam.

  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

   



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 2:20 PM Felipe Viggiano 
wrote:

> Hello Samantha,
>
> Thinking about new contributors, I'd like to make a suggestion.
>
> I am under the impression that you are a technical writer, is that correct?
> So, what do you feel about putting a really simple procedure-like
> attachment in the Contributors Guide in order to direct the tasks for a
> beginner?
>
> It could be something very basic and clear, here's a little example for a
> new reviewer:
>
> "Step #1. Check if the cover is updated with the new template and version;
>  Step #2. Check if the number of pages is matching with the index;
>  Step #3. Check if all the dates are spelling part or all of the month
> (According to Style Guide page 2)
> ... "
>
> I don't know, just thought that it could help newcomers (just like myself)
> starting in the tasks and give a relief for the more experienced and
> professional ones, allowing them to focus on the advanced issues.
>
> Please, everyone in the list, feel free to comment about that.
>
> Best regards,
> Felipe Viggiano
>
>
> Em qui., 16 de jul. de 2020 às 16:33, Samantha Hamilton <
> samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Just reflecting after the meeting today, re. Drew's presentation about
> "how
> > new contributors should on-board," I was curious about the progress of
> the
> > Contributors Guide. The Wiki (
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guides)
> > mentions chapters being revised. During my explorations on NextCloud, I
> saw
> > that a newer Contributor Resources guide is in process.
> >
> > Jean - I noticed that you are helping to write these. Is there anything
> you
> > need help with, by way of readthroughs or copyediting?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sam
> >
> >   Samantha Hamilton
> >   darling docs
> >
> >    <
> > https://github.com/samanthahamilton>
> > 
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes, Thursday July 16th 2020

2020-07-17 Thread Drew Jensen 
Howdy Sam,

The edits are much appreciated there is one problem - the mailing
list, here, does not support attachments and so it was lost.

For the moment, given that I haven't done anything with what Olivier
posted yet, the easiest way would be for you to send the attachment
again but this time to my direct email address. I'll use the changes
for the starting point.

Thanks

Drew

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:07 AM Samantha Hamilton
 wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> Attached is a copy of the presentation with some copyediting queries.
> Nothing major, just grammatical points and parallel structuring. The
> presentation had a great flow.
>
> (Also - I hope "commenting" on a copy of the presentation was an okay way
> to provide feedback; if there's an alternative way for the future, please
> let me know!)
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>   Samantha Hamilton
>   darling docs
>
>    
> 
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM Olivier Hallot <
> olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello Team
> >
> > Em 16/07/2020 16:16, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > > + Introductory Presentation on TDF Doc Team for Toronto, CA LibreOffice
> > > group - Aug 5th - virtual. Request is that presentation cover team
> > > overview and specifically how new contributors should on-board into the
> > > team. (Drew - Request for presentation from Marc Pare)
> > > AI:+ Will send a presentation to Drew (Olivier)
> >
> > Done, with no fancy template, please fix my English errors and add any
> > additional pertinent contents
> >
> > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Wz67FsGASioPnyp
> >
> > regards
> > --
> > Olivier Hallot
> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > Comunidade LibreOffice
> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> > http://tdf.io/joinus
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes, Thursday July 16th 2020

2020-07-17 Thread Samantha Hamilton 
Good morning,

Attached is a copy of the presentation with some copyediting queries.
Nothing major, just grammatical points and parallel structuring. The
presentation had a great flow.

(Also - I hope "commenting" on a copy of the presentation was an okay way
to provide feedback; if there's an alternative way for the future, please
let me know!)

Cheers,
Sam

  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

   



On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Hello Team
>
> Em 16/07/2020 16:16, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > + Introductory Presentation on TDF Doc Team for Toronto, CA LibreOffice
> > group - Aug 5th - virtual. Request is that presentation cover team
> > overview and specifically how new contributors should on-board into the
> > team. (Drew - Request for presentation from Marc Pare)
> > AI:+ Will send a presentation to Drew (Olivier)
>
> Done, with no fancy template, please fix my English errors and add any
> additional pertinent contents
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Wz67FsGASioPnyp
>
> regards
> --
> Olivier Hallot
> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> Comunidade LibreOffice
> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> http://tdf.io/joinus
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Google translate

2020-07-17 Thread Olivier Hallot 
HI Milos
I fully support this initiative.
I've brought it into the Foundation for decision.
Kind regards
Olivier

Em 15/07/2020 13:43, Milos Sramek escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> would it be possible that The Document Foundation sets up a Google
> Translate (GT) account and makes it accessible to translators?
> 
> In translation of the Guides we use the GT service, either to translate
> English to Czech or Slovak, or Czech to or from Slovak.
> 
> Quality of GT translations has significantly improved over the last
> years, quite often such translation can be accepted without changes.
> 
> We use these translations in OmegaT to translate the Guides. The 
> translations are produced offline by a script and loaded in OmegaT to an
> auxiliary translation memory, from where they can be fetched easily (GT
> can be directly used as a service, but it is a bit cumbersome, because
> it changes things like quotation marks, tags etc. These are fixed by the
> script).
> 
> GT is a paid service (not expensive, I think USD20 / 1 000 000
> characters). I think that the service can be used also to translate the
> help files. I is probably not useful to translate the GUI files.
> 
> Our experience is that such translation speeds up the translation
> process a lot. Maybe that accessibility of such service will motivate
> others to translate the guides or the help.
> 
> Milos
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Login to LO Documentation Foundation

2020-07-17 Thread Robert Großkopf 
Hi Randolph,

I could login after I had used this link:
https://de.libreoffice.org/admin/
... it is the Link from the German part of the website.

But after I logged in on this way I could also login at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin=Main+Page%2Fde
... also the German page.

Don't know why it worked this way and doesn't work directly ...

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Login to LO Documentation Foundation

2020-07-17 Thread randolph gamo 
Hi,
I am facing the same problem. I have cleared my cookies but nothing has
changed.
I just sent an email to the hostmaster

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 6:18 AM  wrote:

> I have had that message too.
> After I cleaned my cookies it was gone and I could log in without a
> problem.
>
> Kees
>
> Claire Wood schreef op 06.07.2020 14:36:
> > Hi Olivier and LibreOffice
> >
> > I’m having problems logging in. It keeps sending me in a loop to change
> > my
> > password. I’ve changed it 3 times now and don’t progress any further.
> > Can
> > someone help please? Thanks
> >
> > Claire
> > --
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Claire Wood
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