Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Google Plus
You're right Andrew: Facebook has anything close to circles concept. Is rather a big bag of contacts, all of them bombarding you with nonsense ;-) I don't use neither FB, I didn't erase my account just because some relatives that live abroad and still stay in FB. I do use and post regularly in Google+. And I always welcome unknown people with interesting things to say. :-D Cheers, Lailah El sáb, 02-02-2013 a las 11:28 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak escribió: I long ago deleted my Facebook account. I have retained my google account, primarily because I use an Android Phone, which integrates well with Google (obviously). One thing that Google+ has that I don't remember facebook having, is that I can define a circle, and then I can define what a person in that circle can see. So, I have an OpenOffice circle, that can see different things than my family circle or my friend circle; not that I bother to post much of anything ever, so there is really not much to see. One advantage, however, is that it does provide a means for me to quickly connect to a particular group. So, Peter, should I add you to my circle :-) On 02/02/2013 03:08 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: Hello Dan I have had similar sort of emails about Google Plus from people I do not know but looking as if they came from people in the Document Foundation. I simply deleted the emails straight away as unsolicited emails looking genuine can easily be nasty spam. To me, if people want in the Document Foundation want to join you to join their circle, then they should contact you personally first before sending out the invite. I have looked at Google Plus, but have not joined. I am still not sure of its security and probably get inundated with friend request, just like Facebook. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Caution or Attention
Totally agree with Peter. Lailah -- There's always someone, in somewhere, celebrating a new year El lun, 31-12-2012 a las 09:05 +0100, Peter Schofield escribió: As someone who has worked in an industry where warnings, cautions and notes are important, here is the definitions that were used: WARNING - there is a risk of personal injury or death should you not follow instructions correctly and with great diligence. CAUTION - there is a risk of physical damage to equipment if instructions are not followed correctly and in the correct order. NOTE - to bring to attention that something may happen when carrying out instructions if the instructions are not carried out in the correct order. Obviously these definitions do not really apply to software, but it is something worth thinking about when creating warnings, cautions or notes. As you can see for notes, the word attention is used in the definition because that is what note should be used for. It should not be used as a replacement for caution. In my opinion, caution just makes into its definition because you do something wrong in software, you can break the software. After all, software could be classified as equipment. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 31 Dec 2012, at 06:06, Gary Schnabl wrote: On 12/30/2012 5:51 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I don't have a clue about the rules or guidelines but as a native-English speaker ... 1. i agree that Caution is less alarming than Attention 2. If something doesn't quite match all the criteria required in an Attention notice then Caution is a good fall-back. I'm not sure if there is any logical reason for Attention being more alarming. It seems more militaristic (if that is really a word) whereas Caution is somehow softer and friendlier. That could just be my own opinion though because i can't think of a logical reason. I don't find Attention to be alarming at all and in fact to me it's fairly equivalent to Caution, which I don't find any friendlier. So Tom, it's either a cultural (British vs USAmerican or Australian) word-association thing, or just you. :-) --Jean Agreed. Warning is more foreboding than caution--at least when regarding harm to personnel (instead of damage to equipment...) in US English. Back in the day, DocBook XML publishing of software documentation used the term caution differently than warning. Confer: caution, http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/caution.html and warning, http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/warning.html BTW, OO and LO documentation used only three of those four DocBook terms (tip, note, caution, and warning)--by not using warning. Gary -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to
I don't have problems with Reply-to Regards, Sylvia -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
I use login and logout. Regards El mié, 27-06-2012 a las 06:06 -0400, Marc Paré escribió: I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking
Thanks! I'm writing something, I hope to post it by this weekend. Regards, Sylvia On Mar 12 Jun 2012 07:14:10 Jean Weber escribió: I've given you Author privileges on the blog. If we find that you need more, I'll upgrade it to Editor. I don't remember exactly what each level can do. Looking forward to your first contribution! --Jean On 11/06/2012, at 4:46, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to add some little how-tos or advices about LibreOffice usage, especially in Writer. Just this, a little help. Regards Lailah On Dom 10 Jun 2012 13:53:22 Jean Weber escribió: Sorry about the delaying replying. You are talking about the Docs Team's blog on Wordpress.com, I assume. I'm happy to add you there but I don't usually grant admin privileges until someone has participated for while. Is there a special reason why you want or need admin access to the blog? Jean On 07/06/2012, at 5:27, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the question but... Somebody gave me admin permissions for these wordpress? My user is viajeramental. Thanks and apologies Sylvia On Mar 05 Jun 2012 21:52:41 Jean Weber escribió: I usually blog about new stuff on libodocs.wordpress.com so it gets on the planet, but other publicity is good too. And you are so right: anyone can pick up things like this, if they pay attention. Don't even need to know a thing about the software! --Jean On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) A lot of this could be picked up by anyone, however new to the team. It just needs someone other than the author (or whoever has just done a lot of work on the chapter/guide). Hazel is brilliant and goes into a LOT of detail but perhaps we need a more informal quick squint test or something. I think this team does usually do this anyway. Usually when chapters or books get uploaded to the wiki i make a point of telling the Users List and Tim of KrackedPress fame so that they can have a quick look or come back with problems they spot. They hardly ever grumble about any of the documentation tho so i got lazy and didn't do this with Draw or Impress. Someone had a brilliant idea of making an announcement to the entire community and it might be a good idea to do that when guides are uploaded to the wiki? It still might be good idea to let soem of the lists know when individual chapters are released but when guides are uploaded an community wide announcement would be great. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 4/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 4 June, 2012, 1:40 The ToC in the Draw 3.4 Guide is missing the Preface and hence has wrong page numbers for the rest of the book, but the really weird bit is that the page numbering restarts in Chapter 3. The actual page numbers in the document are correct. I'm not sure what caused that weirdness (other than the ToC not being updated before the PDF was created), but I certainly should have noticed it. And I probably should have put the release candidate out for others to check, but I didn't... This is not a big deal, but it does point out the need for us to have more quality assurance on our books... but that QA needs to be on a fast turnaround as well as thorough. I wonder who might have noticed the ToC was wrong? (Hazel, probably.) Does anyone else actually look through a ToC when final-proofing a book? I usually do, when it's someone else's book; but when it's a book I've done, I just don't notice things. When I get a chance, I'll regenerate the ToC and the PDF and hope nothing else goes weird. ;-) --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking
I would like to add some little how-tos or advices about LibreOffice usage, especially in Writer. Just this, a little help. Regards Lailah On Dom 10 Jun 2012 13:53:22 Jean Weber escribió: Sorry about the delaying replying. You are talking about the Docs Team's blog on Wordpress.com, I assume. I'm happy to add you there but I don't usually grant admin privileges until someone has participated for while. Is there a special reason why you want or need admin access to the blog? Jean On 07/06/2012, at 5:27, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the question but... Somebody gave me admin permissions for these wordpress? My user is viajeramental. Thanks and apologies Sylvia On Mar 05 Jun 2012 21:52:41 Jean Weber escribió: I usually blog about new stuff on libodocs.wordpress.com so it gets on the planet, but other publicity is good too. And you are so right: anyone can pick up things like this, if they pay attention. Don't even need to know a thing about the software! --Jean On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) A lot of this could be picked up by anyone, however new to the team. It just needs someone other than the author (or whoever has just done a lot of work on the chapter/guide). Hazel is brilliant and goes into a LOT of detail but perhaps we need a more informal quick squint test or something. I think this team does usually do this anyway. Usually when chapters or books get uploaded to the wiki i make a point of telling the Users List and Tim of KrackedPress fame so that they can have a quick look or come back with problems they spot. They hardly ever grumble about any of the documentation tho so i got lazy and didn't do this with Draw or Impress. Someone had a brilliant idea of making an announcement to the entire community and it might be a good idea to do that when guides are uploaded to the wiki? It still might be good idea to let soem of the lists know when individual chapters are released but when guides are uploaded an community wide announcement would be great. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 4/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 4 June, 2012, 1:40 The ToC in the Draw 3.4 Guide is missing the Preface and hence has wrong page numbers for the rest of the book, but the really weird bit is that the page numbering restarts in Chapter 3. The actual page numbers in the document are correct. I'm not sure what caused that weirdness (other than the ToC not being updated before the PDF was created), but I certainly should have noticed it. And I probably should have put the release candidate out for others to check, but I didn't... This is not a big deal, but it does point out the need for us to have more quality assurance on our books... but that QA needs to be on a fast turnaround as well as thorough. I wonder who might have noticed the ToC was wrong? (Hazel, probably.) Does anyone else actually look through a ToC when final-proofing a book? I usually do, when it's someone else's book; but when it's a book I've done, I just don't notice things. When I get a chance, I'll regenerate the ToC and the PDF and hope nothing else goes weird. ;-) --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking
It can be a long thing? Or can be something short like a How-to or some advices about the use of some part of LibreOffice? On Jue 07 Jun 2012 17:24:03 Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Probably! At one point people were all very keen that we develop blogging as a way of promoting the activity of the documentation team. I think Jean was somewhat sceptical but then ended up being about the only person to post. So, if you enjoy blogging then feel free! Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 6/6/12, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lailah lailah...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 6 June, 2012, 20:27 Sorry about the question but... Somebody gave me admin permissions for these wordpress? My user is viajeramental. Thanks and apologies Sylvia On Mar 05 Jun 2012 21:52:41 Jean Weber escribió: I usually blog about new stuff on libodocs.wordpress.com so it gets on the planet, but other publicity is good too. And you are so right: anyone can pick up things like this, if they pay attention. Don't even need to know a thing about the software! --Jean On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) A lot of this could be picked up by anyone, however new to the team. It just needs someone other than the author (or whoever has just done a lot of work on the chapter/guide). Hazel is brilliant and goes into a LOT of detail but perhaps we need a more informal quick squint test or something. I think this team does usually do this anyway. Usually when chapters or books get uploaded to the wiki i make a point of telling the Users List and Tim of KrackedPress fame so that they can have a quick look or come back with problems they spot. They hardly ever grumble about any of the documentation tho so i got lazy and didn't do this with Draw or Impress. Someone had a brilliant idea of making an announcement to the entire community and it might be a good idea to do that when guides are uploaded to the wiki? It still might be good idea to let soem of the lists know when individual chapters are released but when guides are uploaded an community wide announcement would be great. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 4/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Weird stuff department: Why everything needs last-minute checking To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 4 June, 2012, 1:40 The ToC in the Draw 3.4 Guide is missing the Preface and hence has wrong page numbers for the rest of the book, but the really weird bit is that the page numbering restarts in Chapter 3. The actual page numbers in the document are correct. I'm not sure what caused that weirdness (other than the ToC not being updated before the PDF was created), but I certainly should have noticed it. And I probably should have put the release candidate out for others to check, but I didn't... This is not a big deal, but it does point out the need for us to have more quality assurance on our books... but that QA needs to be on a fast turnaround as well as thorough. I wonder who might have noticed the ToC was wrong? (Hazel, probably.) Does anyone else actually look through a ToC when final-proofing a book? I usually do, when it's someone else's book; but when it's a book I've done, I just don't notice things. When I get a chance, I'll regenerate the ToC and the PDF and hope nothing else goes weird. ;-) --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Items for our documentation blog
My username in Wordpress is Viajeramental. Thanks! El mié, 23-05-2012 a las 06:38 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: On 23/05/2012, at 2:55, Lailah wrote: Sorry if it is a dumb question but... ¿where is this LibreOffice blog? I have a good bunch of material from OpenOffice and LibreOffice users lists. http://libodocs.wordpress.com for the documentation blog. You will need to tell me your Wordpress.com username so I can authorise you for the blog. (There are also other LibreOffice blogs: the official one, the marketing one, and a new one for tutorials, but I was talking about the docs blog.) Jean Cheers, Lailah El sáb, 19-05-2012 a las 15:55 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: Don't have the time to do something major for LibreOffice Docs? Here's an idea: write a short how-to for the blog and the wiki. Good places to get ideas for topics are the user support list, the user support forum, and anywhere else where users ask questions. I recommend picking a question that doesn't have an obvious answer: perhaps something a bit tricky or confusing or obscure. I used to write explanations for former MSOffice users who have not yet discovered the LO equivalent of whatever they were accustomed to doing: they often think LO can't do X but in fact it can... just differently. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Items for our documentation blog
Sorry if it is a dumb question but... ¿where is this LibreOffice blog? I have a good bunch of material from OpenOffice and LibreOffice users lists. Cheers, Lailah El sáb, 19-05-2012 a las 15:55 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: Don't have the time to do something major for LibreOffice Docs? Here's an idea: write a short how-to for the blog and the wiki. Good places to get ideas for topics are the user support list, the user support forum, and anywhere else where users ask questions. I recommend picking a question that doesn't have an obvious answer: perhaps something a bit tricky or confusing or obscure. I used to write explanations for former MSOffice users who have not yet discovered the LO equivalent of whatever they were accustomed to doing: they often think LO can't do X but in fact it can... just differently. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles for list styles
Totally agree El vie, 11-05-2012 a las 09:04 +0200, Peter Schofield escribió: Hello I have been following this discussion and found it very interesting. However, I would like to make one suggestion for the paragraph styles - KISS - keep it simple st. One example - why is there three styles for numbers and lists? There should be just one for each, that is OOoNum 123 and OOoList 1. There is no need for Start, Cont and End styles if you set paragraph spacing correctly. Second example - why do the style names begin with OOo? It would be better to simply name each style as Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on. This would make it easier to import the template into other software because other software normally uses Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on for style names. My experience comes from working in MS Word to initially create a document and then using Framemaker for the publishing program, which my opinion was one of the best in the market. So easy to compile many chapters into one massive manual. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 May 2012, at 23:12, Gary Schnabl wrote: I haven't gotten around to recheck all the list paragraphs styles yet for v. 3.5.x--easy to do, using the factory-default parameters. However, the older OOo styles (v. 3.3.x) did not have consistent formatting for all the Ns, in addition to OOo's having buggy styles that could not properly be reformatted outside of a narrow indentation range for many Ns. IMO, all those list paragraph styles need to be reformatted, according to the intended purposes for them by users or template designers, anyway. Gary On 5/10/2012 3:22 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Gary, Carlos said thanks on the Users List. Cheers chap Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 10/5/12, Carlos Pitacarlosjosep...@gmail.com wrote: snip / Gary has clarified the issue. Perhaps the styles should all be indented the same by default and just control the interline spacing and things like that. Another related issue is the purpose of the List N vs List N Cont paragraph styles. From the indentation in the styles one can infer what follows: | aditional space here First item--- Start style Internal item--- base style Continuation of internal item--- Cont style Last item--- End style | aditional space here That cont seems to be intended to follow the base style is suggested by the default indentation of the manually formatted lists. For example: 2. Iternal item More text Continuation of item 2 The indentation provided by the Cont style is exactly the indentation needed by Continuation of item 2 in a manually formatted list in order to be left aligned with the item text. But this seems misleading again, because the guide explains that Start will be usually linked to Cont which will be linked to End, for lists where a single style (the base style) isn't enough. Briefly, the alternative interpretations are: Start-base(-Cont)-End vs Start-Cont-End or base (for simple formatting requirements) I'll copy the relevant passages of the documentation for this last issue asap, but you can see that the problem is essentially the same: default style indentation that seems to be at odds with the usage described by the guide, maybe because of historical reasons. Thanks a lot -- Carlos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I have resigned from Apache OpenOffice
+1 Sylvia El sáb, 05-05-2012 a las 22:00 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: For those of you who may not see my announcement elsewhere, I have resigned from the Apache OpenOffice project management committee. I intend no further involvement with the AOO project. For me, contributing to a volunteer project must be enjoyable. I do not enjoy working with the AOO project. I do enjoy working with the LibreOffice project. I'm ready to take on the role of leader here, if this group still wants me to do so. (Don't worry, I won't be offended if you say no.) --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History
Oh, so sorry! I just answered your email. Regards El jue, 03-05-2012 a las 11:21 +0100, Hazel Russman escribió: On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:46:38 -0300 Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: Hazel: I was revisiting this old mails (basically to put them in Trash) and found a little thing that sounds strange to me: The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally founded on 17.02.2012 It was founded so late as in 2012? I thought that was last year its foundation. Sorry if this is too little and found my mail annoying, but I was confused. Regards Lailah Don't ask me! I'm only the translator. Klaus is the one you need to contact. -- H Russman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Topics missing from Writer Guide
Jean: I think you can put it under a tittle like Multimedia, Inserting media in Writer. And put together about inserting pictures, sounds, video and others. What do you think? Regards from Sylvia El lun, 02-04-2012 a las 17:39 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: * Adding a movie or sound; I'm not at all sure where to put this info --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
Or may be to create a separate document explaining those details about databases back-ends? Is just an idea... El mar, 20-03-2012 a las 11:17 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) I think Dan's plan is a good one and it's very ambitious. it's good to have input from new people but would it be possible to complete the 1st Base Guide according to Dan's plan first. After that would be the ideal time to discuss restructuring it and perhaps add in an Advanced guide. From discussions on the Users List it seems there is a gap in the market for an extremely simplistic and single purpose guide to help people create a contacts database and/or read a Thunderbird one. I think linking to an Evolution/Outlook one would make it too complex. I agree that the Base Guide that Dan has planned needs to avoid using the embedded back-end. When we first discussed the plan for the Base Guide most of us didn't realise quite how appalling the embedded one is. Using HSqlDb as an external back-end after downloading the proper HSqlDb from their website is a huge improvement but the embedded one seems to create too many weird problems. I think we have to avoid to much mission creep or the guide will never get done. It might be best to to keep comparisons between the various different back-ends to a reasonable minimum. The work Dan has done seems to have kick-started greater interest in work on Base generally. A completed Guide might draw more new people in. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 20/3/12, Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net wrote: From: Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC) To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 20 March, 2012, 4:50 Mark, This is another problem with using HSQLDB as an example that I overlooked. It is cumbersome. And to be honest I would use a MySQL DB on localhost if I wanted to create a database. Although PHPmyAdmin is better, Base is more visual and seems to work well. Of course anyone with DB experience will want to use their preferred DB. And, there has been some discussion of losing much of the Java dependancies, especially since Sun and Oracle aren't in the picture any longer. So HSQLDB may someday be replaced with something like SQLite. Rick B -- For every ailment under the sun There is a remedy, or there is none; If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it. --W.W. Bartley -Original Message- From: Mark Stanton [mailto:m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:18 AM To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC) Particularly because it's the cause of so much trouble, I'd suggest it would be good not to focus on the native HSQLDB setup, though I agree it would be good to show it. I'd suggest using all sorts of example backends. A Here's how you'd do x with the native HSQLDB and here's how you'd do it with a.n.other engine. A couple side-by-side like that, and then just vary engines in the examples. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
May I disagree? It is user's guide, not a computer science text. What does need to know the user is how it works and how to use it. What things can do with this specific program and what things can not. The stuff about design and similar is not of immediate interest for the user. May be we can dedicate a chapter called something like Design and details of databases, and in there you can put all this technical things. But is not a good idea, mixing design and using items in the same chapter. Is just a confusion focus. And tutorials is not for all using instructions. Is just for specific points like How can I change background colour?, How can I insert a picture?. For general using things, there's documentation (including user's guides), wiki pages and FAQ's. Is my opinion. Regards Sylvia El lun, 19-03-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Mail Dump escribió: Hi Dan, Let me explain my point better than I did last night. I really don't see what the vague look of the Base outline is that you mention, nor do I understand what you mean by basic idea of a user guide. The current toc looks like this. Correct? 1 Introducing Base 2 Planning/Designing your Database 3 Data Input and removal 4 Data Output 5 Exchanging Data 6 Customizing your Database Design 7 More Customization 8 Using Base at Work Appendix I Build the Example Database Appendix II Overview of a Database Appendix III Further Reading on Database Design Appendix IV Editing the Base Document File This is quite different from the other guides, Which is why I had the Calc guide toc in my e-mail. As a software user, say I wanted to learn how to use Styles with Writer. I would go to the chapter titled Working with Styles. Likewise if I wanted see about adding graphics to a Calc spreadsheet I would go to the chapter Using Graphics in Calc. With the current Base guide layout where do I look for report writing with Base? Or querying a database? A guide should clearly make this available to a user. And Using Base at Work, is this about multi-user or networked databases, or what? What database concepts are not simple? What are you referring to when mentioning tutorials? Database concepts are not as easy to understand as using a spreadsheet or working with a text document. I know, I taught these subjects in college and database design and implementation is a dense subject, even for me. But regardless, it is not the place of a guide to pander to the lowest denominator. Users of all levels may need to use the guide to learn how to use Base. As I wrote: With too much basic (or remedial) instruction on design theory and such, we lose the attention of users who know about databases at various levels. Chapter 2 describes how to plan/design a database. (Considering some of the posts to the user mailing list and personal experience, I question how many people actually do this very well at all.) I consider this to be one of the most important parts for creating a database: not needed for the expert who takes the time to do the needed planning/designing every time; an Absolute must for those who have not always done this or never have done it. (Proper planning/designing reduces if not eliminates the GIGO [garbage in garbage out] that can become part of a poorly designed database.) This is what I mean about a tutorial. I believe a software guide shows how to use the software. What you wrote is true as far as database work is concerned. But that is what I meant by tutorial, you are teaching about concepts and database design, not about Base and how to use it. I looked over your proposed outline, and to me it looks vague. Why? Because I don't see the details of your outline. For that matter, Drew's outline could use more details that would make it clearer. My outline was a for example, I don't want to step on anyone's toes here. However it does more closely follow the outlines of the other guides. Like I said a few line above the outline (Or TOC) should make it easy for a user to jump to the information they need. The Introducing Base does a good job of introducing Base and adds information that belongs elsewhere. Look at the Calc or Writer Introducing... chapters. Another problem I see is that the current outline makes it hard for someone, like me, to take on a chapter of my own (as we did with previous guides). If the outline (TOC) was like the other guides I could write a chapter on Report writing or Querying the database or creating a using tables? Compartmentalized is what I have suggested. I see a pattern in Drew's outline for creating a database True, but we are supposed to be writing a software guide. How do you know if the greater number of Base users are using it for a frontend or a native DB? And, as far as a software guide is concerned why would you care...just explain how to do it. So, are you
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide; Chapter 4 - Formatting pages.
In the end, could you solve this? At least, report a bug? Regards Sylvia El vie, 10-02-2012 a las 16:30 +, John Smith escribió: Hi I am close to finishing updating this chapter, but have run into a problem and am unsure of the protocol. I was about to write the instructions for formatting footnotes/endnotes when I encountered the problem. To replicate, have a single sheet document with lots of paragraphs in it (blank or otherwise). Insert a footnote into the page: Insert footnote/endnote. Click OK in the next dialogue box, accepting the default settings. Scroll down to have the footnote in view. Now edit the footnote. There are a number of ways to get here, but the quickest is to right-click in the page and then select Page from the context menu. Select the 'Footnote' tab. There are two sections to this page; 'Footnote area' and 'Separator line'. To demonstrate the behaviour, change either, or both, the 'Space to text' dimension in the 'Footnote area' section, and/or the 'Spacing to footnote contents' dimension in the 'Separator line' section. Now, if you click OK, the settings on screen change when the dialogue box exits. That's fine. Re-edit, 'right-click Page'. Change dimensions again, this time, click Apply. As expected, the changes are executed on screen and the dialogue box stays open. But ... The dimensions in the dialogue box now change. 1.If you click OK to exit, these newer altered dimensions are applied. 2.You cannot, having clicked Apply, change the dimensions to anything meaningful. 3.You can exit, having pressed Apply, by clicking Cancel and having the changes which occurred on Apply remain in place. 4.Having pressed Apply, you can then press Reset, re-do the settings, and then click OK to exit. There are a number of possibilities here I guess. 1. I'm doing something wrong. 2. There's something wrong with my set-up. 3. There's a problem with the Windows version (if it works correctly in other OS's) 4. There's a problem with the software. So, if someone else can validate my experience, should I write it to instruct on how to do it trouble free, including what shouldn't be done? Is this a bug, or just aberrant behaviour that needs no further action?. If a bug, what next? Write it warning of this bug? Advice would be appreciated. Thanks John -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Guide progress
I can understand why is more flexible but not the simplistic/complex thing. I think that saying that something is a simplistic tool is a good way to confuse people, especially those who has a little or zero experience with databases. I think is better to say something like This is the LibreOffice tool for databases. If you see that your needs can be satisfied with it, please, look for a more sophisticated tool like this, or this and put links below about our project and other common front-ends and databases. Don't forget to include library's application, because they are a good bunch people in need of databases and they're important! :-)) Regards El dom, 11-03-2012 a las 23:00 -0400, Dan Lewis escribió: Still not usable in the Base Guide. How is it more flexible. What DB's does it access that Access or other programs do not? What do you mean by simplistic databases? What is not a simplistic DB? What would readers think this mean? How many people need and use simplistic DB's? Or, is this more about company databases vs. databases used in a home for a family's use? And why mention Access at all? Who cares if it is ugly? What does being a substitute have to do with anything? HSQLDB is java based little gremlin (that even bites you in the hand when you DO FOLLOW their user manual), we should KILL it ... now!!! Then what purpose does Base serve using HSQLDB as its database engine? Why even write the Base Guide if the whole thing is going to be changed? Thank heavens devs got around to put the postgresql driver in this (3.5) release, or I would never even try to get people interested in translating the BASE manuals (altough I of course haven't read them - not old ou new - so my opinion is worth a little less than that of the Easter Bunny). Rogerio --Dan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Guide progress
Tom: I agree with you but I can't see what is the of mentioning Access. I mean, we know that Access works in an specific way and Base work in others, but I don't we have to mention it in the documentation. I think that saying is a replacement for others database front-ends is enough. No need of mentioning any other name. And no need of saying that is ugly and that other is pretty. We only have to describe our application, that's all. What do is important is to say is this is better because... and describe why is flexible, easy to use, etc. Is my opinion Lailah El lun, 12-03-2012 a las 11:44 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) I find it easier to think of it as front-end vs back-end. Base is a good gui front-end to make it easier to see and manipulate the data. The data is held in a back-end. I think we want to keep the guide as simple as possible. Back-ends might be small and light such as the HSqlDb one or even a spreadsheet for 'simple' address books and such-like or a back-end might be something hefty such as MariaDb / MySql or Postgresql, possibly even something that is in a web-site and hosted on a web-facing server. I don't think Access easily allows you that level of scalability. Ideally we would avoid the complexity of the whole back-end vs front-end issue and just deal with Base as if it was like a default Access. Sadly the default built-in back-end in Base seems to be the main cause of problems whenever people have trouble with Base. However, also it seems that one of the biggest advantages of Base is that it makes it much more obvious and easier to connect to a wider range of back-ends. When you try to create a new Base file one of the first questions it asks is Where is the data?. Hmm, well the version of java can also often be a problem but it's easier to handle on the Users List or in forums because more normal users are familiar with dealing with java problems. So, i don't envy anyone trying to write or develop documentation or Faqs or anything because it's difficult to know what to aim for. It seems to be a moving target too. Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: From: Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Guide progress To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 12 March, 2012, 8:52 Then what purpose does Base serve using HSQLDB as its database engine? Why even write the Base Guide if the whole thing is going to be changed? Because Base can use a wide range of database programs to hold and dispense the data is uses, the guide doesn't have to be about any of them. The job that Base is doing is providing useful interaction with the beast that does the work. Perhaps it's a bit like being a terminal to a mainframe, but the terminal isn't dumb, and it's also used to manage the mainframe, not just get information into and out of it. Because of this management aspect, the guide does need to teach the reader something about design, which of course has been one of the reasons databases aren't such a generally used tool as spreadsheets. I don't mind using HSQLDB commands and requirements as an *example* of that, as long as the ability to use all sorts of backends is really headlined. The really good thing about Base is that it provides tools to put that data into stuff the user wants; reports, mailmerged documents, onscreen forms. That's the stuff that the database engines don't do, because they're (quite rightly) focused on doing the work, not presenting the work. As such, Base is, or could be, a much more comprehensive tool than Access, and in fact any current database product on the desktop, of which there is a serious lack these days. If you want to know, that's why I'm here. Microsoft are killing one of the best databases around, Visual FoxPro, without any credible product to fill the gap. And to be honest, even that doesn't match up to Writer+mailmerge fields+backend connectivity. Regards Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco site update
Hi! I prefer .odt and .pdf El dom, 26-02-2012 a las 03:22 +0800, David Nelson escribió: Hi, On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Where is it / will it be kept? Wiki or ODT? Well, I had planned and prefer to do it in a .odt and generate a .pdf at the end but, if people would rather have it on the wiki, I could do it on the wiki instead. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
I think yes. Is better little documentation than no documentation at all. Regards Sylvia El mié, 11-01-2012 a las 12:13 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi Dan :) Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later? Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Cc: andy arnold andy.arn...@gmx.com Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 1:20 On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 14:58 +, andy arnold wrote: Hi I have been working through the base guide over Christmas for a database management course for uni but I cannot find the pages where I got the first five chapters, or the guide in full. Please can I ask if I have missed something obvious or is it being produced (soon to be published), if I could have a copy to work through I would be very grateful and I could also proof read it at the same time if it is not published yet? It is just it was easier to follow than the handouts from the lecturer. Thanks very much for your time and trouble The chapters of the Base Guide that are fairly complete as of right now are the following that you can find if you search the internet for them: Getting Started with Base (ch 8 of the Getting Started Guide), and Introducing Base (ch 1 of the Base Guide). There were perhaps three other chapters as well on a server, but we are having problems with it right now. I have these three chapters as written for OpenOffice.org, but I am doing some extensive rewriting of them for both OOo and LibreOffice. These are Planning/Designing your Database (220K), Data Input and Removal (2.1M), and Data Output (900K). I'm not sure how much good these would do you. I can email this to you if that would help. --Dan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Requesting access to ALFRESCO web site
Jean: I logged in successfully before. I did some things around and then, because of my classes I had to dedicate my time to other things. Now I want to login to upload the translated file and I can't. Reseting my password maybe works. Thanks! Sylvia El mar, 29-11-2011 a las 06:15 +1000, Jean Weber escribió: Have you successfully logged in to your Alfresco account before now? Your username on Alfresco is SylviaSánchez, with an accent on the second a. Perhaps that is the problem? I can reset your password, or change your username, if necessary. --Jean On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 01:02, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm Sylvia Sánchez, I'm translating Styles and Formatting to Spanish and I can't access to my Alfresco account. Could somebody help me? Thanks! Sylvia -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Requesting access to ALFRESCO web site
Hello! I'm Sylvia Sánchez, I'm translating Styles and Formatting to Spanish and I can't access to my Alfresco account. Could somebody help me? Thanks! Sylvia -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
No, is a theme for desktop and windows, as Radiance, Clearlooks, Oxygen and others. In Gnome I guess... Hope this helps Sylvia El jue, 20-10-2011 a las 14:51 +0100, Hazel Russman escribió: On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:55:47 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: When I change the Ubuntu theme to one of its defaults (Ambiance or Radiance), they look as you describe. When I use the XP-Silver theme they look as shown in the existing chapters of the user guides. On Windows 7 and Windows XP, they look as shown in the user guides. On the Mac they're subtly different (gray but flat). I don't have these names. On my system, the available themes are Galaxy (default), High Contrast, Crystal, Tango and Oxygen.I use Galaxy. Where does XP-Silver come from? Is it an extension? -- Hazel Russman hazel_russ...@yahoo.co.uk -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation in spanish
Hello everybody! I want to translate and organize documentation in english to spanish. How can I do that? Is this the right place? Thanks Sylvia -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
