[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-19 Thread dlake02
There are other reasons why the radio may generate a beep. The main one is loss of bit-sync. Every 21st frame has 0x55 0x2d 0x16 at the end - if you generate these at 20 or 22 frame intervals, sure enough, you get a beep. If you miss several, you get a beep. So, under weak conditions, you can

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: The “ignoring the call if it can’t be decoded” IS the attempt to assure that the protocol works. That allows subsequent transmissions to follow the initial transmission. If this didn’t occur, then there would be a lot more “dropped

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread Nate Duehr
That is not what I read in previous discussions by folks who were actually doing protocol-level work, but if you insist that the headers are encapsulated inside the portion of the stream that's covered by FEC, I can't really refute it technically. What I can be sure of, is that the statement

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread Tony Langdon
At 07:20 AM 10/17/2009, you wrote: That is not what I read in previous discussions by folks who were actually doing protocol-level work, but if you insist that the headers are encapsulated inside the portion of the stream that's covered by FEC, I can't really refute it technically. My

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread John Hays
My reading of the protocol specification is that the header has a checksum (2.1.1 (11) page 4 - http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/techchar/D-STAR.pdf) for error detection, but forward error correction (FEC) only applies to the audio portion of the AMBE payload (and performed by

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread Nate Duehr
...@yahoogroups. com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:09 PM To: dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.comsubject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps At 07:20 AM 10/17/2009, you wrote: That is not what I read in previous discussions by folks who were

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread Jonathan Naylor
Nate, If you look at the D-Star protocol you'll see in AP2 (in the file shogen.pdf) the details of the FEC applied to the header, doubling its length to 660 bits. It's a convolution code as opposed to concatenated block codes as used by AMBE. The checksum in the header is then used to ensure

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Okay, interesting. Please review and note that I never said a receiving station gets a CORRUPTED callsign. The result is actually that the receiving station gets *no callsign* at all. Then the firmware in the controller or the software in the GW was programmed in such a way as to treat that

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps

2009-10-14 Thread Jonathan Naylor
Hi Nate You're wrong about the callsigns in the header not having FEC, they are. In fact they're probably better protected than the AMBE data if you equate the amount of protection with the extra data added for the FEC. What is not protected is the header data that is repeated in the slow data