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2010-05-18 Thread john_ke5c
I don't think Nate dislikes D-Star. I certainly don't, but I do wish that the folks who have produced compatible stuff for it, while promising that it would be open source, would follow through on their promises - or at least release documentation so other amateurs can do so. Agree with Nate

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2010-05-18 Thread Woodrick, Ed
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john_ke5c Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:05 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . I don't think Nate dislikes D-Star. I certainly don't, but I do wish that the folks who have produced

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2010-05-18 Thread Nate Duehr
Very well put, Ed. I agree with your sentiments about open vs. closed and how it can be applied to different pieces of D-STAR differently, and that was the whole point of my reply and questions. Comparing D-STAR to iPhone is somewhat an Apples-to-Oranges (pun intended? - GRIN!) comparison

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2010-05-18 Thread Woodrick, Ed
] Re: Honest questions . Very well put, Ed. I agree with your sentiments about open vs. closed and how it can be applied to different pieces of D-STAR differently, and that was the whole point of my reply and questions. Comparing D-STAR to iPhone is somewhat an Apples-to-Oranges (pun intended

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2010-05-17 Thread Jonathan Naylor
The one question that I got referred to a mistaken concept that D-STAR was a closed protocol. We explained that the D-STAR protocol is open and defined by the JARL. Sitting right next to us was Internet Labs with the DVDongle and DVAP and David with his non-Icom repeater, great examples of

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2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
own small part of the world. Ed WA4YIH From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Naylor Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:44 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . The one question that I got

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2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where can one find information on them? Did they publish

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2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:09 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't

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2010-05-17 Thread John Hays
On May 17, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren’t open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where

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2010-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 03:57 AM 5/18/2010, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. This also has precedent. The exact same thing happened with Echolink,

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2010-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:22 AM 5/18/2010, you wrote: But if you would do a little legwork and reading, you'll find that indeed, the hotspots access the DPlus network and that the G4ULF repeater is accessing the G2 network. I think Nate is asking for the results of the reverse engineering, not (closed)

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2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 1:22 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: Nope, they aren't readily available for you to read. Did you see that written anywhere in what I said? Did you see me publish a URL to it? That's all I asked. Thank you for confirming that the answer is no, and that D-STAR development is as

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2010-05-17 Thread Ted Wrobel
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . On 5/17/2010 1:22 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: Nope, they aren't readily available for you to read. Did you see that written anywhere in what I said? Did you see me publish a URL to it? That's all I asked

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2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 1:51 PM, John Hays wrote: On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren’t open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where can one

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2010-05-17 Thread Jay Maynard
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 05:31:49PM -0400, Ted Wrobel wrote: Take a deep breath, climb down off your high horse and find something else to do! You critical, repetitive comments add nothing to the group. If you dislike D-Star, or wish it was something else, why don't you go and create that

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2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
on the ID-1, it's fully documented and capable of millions of applications. From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:01 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions