Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
At 07:18 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk I have them all, Don. All ~550 original issues, given to me by Cass when he was cleaning house ~2000-2001 or so. I also have a copy of the book Bernie describes. I don't think The Old Timer, any of the Local QRPers, or even Red-Eyed Louie and his cousin Sunspot Louie ever directly addressed the topic of catching the same fish twice. We were left to ponder the meaning of DX IS!, the Eternal Enigmas of DXing and the Mysteries of the Ages. Cass often said, "If you have to ask the question, you probably won't understand the answer." After reading his material many times, and having numerous telephone conversations with WA6AUD, probably the closest advice I took away from Hugh Cassidy in situations like this was to emulate Lord Baden-Powell, the Hero of Mafeking, and "Be Prepared!" DX IS! Although for some more than others. 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Yes, Bernie, there are several explanations for catching the same fish twice.
In my own world as a wildlife biologist, it's called "catch-and-release" and
"mark-and-recapture"; the fish (or other wildlife such as rabbits, deer, mice,
insects, crustaceans, whatever) is caught, then tagged before release.
Subsequent catches of the tagged fish or other animals are measured against
catches of the same species which are not tagged. After a certain number ("N")
are caught and again released, a formula called the Lincoln-Peterson Index is
applied to determine population numbers.
Now, one might reasonably ask, how does a Lincoln-Peterson Index apply to
recapture of a long gone, then reappearing DX entity such as South Sudan, I
have no idea, at least not yet. Working on it... I'm still trying to recapture
QSLs from QSOs in the early 1990s. For example, I made contact with only a
single station from Rhode Island during my 2001 and 2004 mini-dxpeditions to
VO2 despite repeated efforts. This one station responded to my CQ RI but never
responded to my repeated QSL requests (I sent him SASEs, green stamps, even $5
GS, and letters) but no response thus denying me WAS from VO2. Using the
Lincoln-Peterson Index (N=1), I would calculate that Rhode Island no longer
exists, has gone extinct, HF-wise. Yet, QRZ.com insists that RI has a ham
population of 2263. Such are the vagaries of both wildlife and ham radio
populations and contacts.
You win some, you lose some, but you keep playing the game.
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD
Previously VO2/K2FRD
VO2FS to be QRV in summer 2012
At 7:00 PM -0400 9/7/11, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote:
>Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect
>there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The
>man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again!
>
>Bernie
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>Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
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>I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the
>reference to catching the same fish twice!
>
>73
>K1vsk
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[DX-CHAT] Dayton 2012
Just found this picture of the Dayton public works department readying a sign for the Hara arena for 2012: http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/9b63ce53-305d-436e-912b-0e4b947 bdca4.jpg About says it all, I think. Regards, Peter Dougherty --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---<>
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
> When they were united , we worked Germany again. No, the former West Germany remained as the "counter" for the unified Germany. > I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again. Only the > DXAC knows. Just the "new" South Sudan. DXCC 2000 rules do not allow a deleted country to ever be "undeleted" - the "new" entity must be "new" even if it represents the same territory and same government as the entity that was deleted. Another case of "rules" not reflecting reality (just like 800 miles not meaning 800 miles). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/9/2011 6:34 PM, Jim Abercrombie wrote: I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were united , we worked Germany again. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC knows. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk - Original Message - From: "Tom-KE1JF" To: Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan > > Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all > time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state > stocking > the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. > > 73, > Tom, KE1JF > > > -- > From: "Paul M Dunphy" > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan > >> >> At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: >> >>>This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have >>>to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this >>>becomes silly. >>> >>>Don/K1VSK >> >> Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is >> a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or >> say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. >> You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go >> fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. >> >> We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation >> (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 >> weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical >> location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity >> and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few >> years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it >> wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? >> Become a contester? >> >> 73, Paul VE1DX >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to >> >> imail...@njdxa.org >> In the message body put either >> unsubscribe dx-chat >> >> or >> subscribe dx-chat >> >> This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org >> --- >> >> > > > --- > To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to > > imail...@njdxa.org > In the message body put either > unsubscribe dx-chat > > or > subscribe dx-chat > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > --- > --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] QSL info
Does anyone have QSL info for 5U3HQ. Any info would be appreaciated. Thanks 73, Mark K2AU --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk - Original Message - From: "Tom-KE1JF" To: Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: "Paul M Dunphy" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: "Paul M Dunphy" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Don If you can ever get your hands on a copy of "DX IS! The Best of the West Coast DX Bulletin" it would be well worth the read! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:25 PM To: jjreis...@gmail.com; ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: "Jim Reisert AD1C" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa > wrote: > >> Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? > > It's not a new country yet. > > Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern > Sudan on Wikipedia. > > -- > Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us > > > --- > To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to > > imail...@njdxa.org > > In the message body put either > > unsubscribe dx-chat > > or > > subscribe dx-chat > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > --- > --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: "Jim Reisert AD1C" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa wrote: > Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] New country as of this morning
Nothing changes for DXCC until either S. Sudan becomes a member of the UN or ITU assigns a call block. Most recent word was that the UN General Assembly was expected to accept S. Sudan on July 14. Thus July 14 it expected to be the "start date" for DXCC purposes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/9/2011 7:15 AM, Jack wrote: http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/South-Sudan-Celebrates-Independence-125260809.html Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB DXCC Honor Roll QCWA OOTC "Celebrating over 1/2 century in Ham Radio" --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] New country as of this morning
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/South-Sudan-Celebrates-Independence-125260809.html Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB DXCC Honor Roll QCWA OOTC "Celebrating over 1/2 century in Ham Radio" --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
