Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
In a message dated 7/10/03 6:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On another front, the new DXCC is clearly the Challenge but by not starting fresh and allowing the OTs to scour their QSL files, the League missed an incentive opportunity for the relatively newer DXers. Not exactly a level playing field. In pushing for a fresh start, I pointed out that W4DR would be the first winner and the next 10 were equally easy to predict. In the Challenge a golden opportunity was missed. 73, Steve WB6RSE There is another 'gotcha' in the DXCC Challenge, namely the inclusion of SIX METERS in the totals. Steve is right, there are NO surprises in the DXCC Challenge Listings. Just look at the I2EOW TOPBANDS List and then add in the 6M DXCC Totals and you can accurately predict the Top DXCC Challenge listees. Note that the Top Guns in the USA on 6M have around 140 'entities' on that band. This means that a Top Gun HF (only) DXer will still be 140 'points' below W4DR, W1JR, K8MFO, and others with high 6M totals after spending hundreds of $$$ to have their 12, 15, 17, 20, and 30M QSL's 'verified' by ARRL. Unfortunately, the DXCC Challenge Listing consists ONLY of the TOTAL number of Band Countries, including SIX Meters. Hopefully they will eventually come out with a TOPBANDS like listing that includes the number of (Current) DXCC Entities by BAND as well as the Total. Using LifeTime numbers for the Single Band DXCC Listings is another 'gotcha'. I grind my teeth when I look at the 40M DXCC Listing for example. I only need TWO entities on that band (BS and P5) but am 16 entities behind the leader, W8AH because AL has another 14 DELETED entities that I will never be able to add to my totals. It's WAY past time to use CURRENT ENTITIES for the DXCC Listings. If the OT's want recognition for their Deleted Totals, I have no objection to showing LifeTime or Deleted Totals following each call in the listing, but lets use Current Countries for the Basis of the Listings! Tom N4KG (with only 48 years of DXing under my belt) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
I hope that everyone who has an ax to grind with the current DXCC country criteria as it relates to Honor Roll status is also composing a well thought out, unemotional letter to their respective ARRL DX Advisory Committee members and not just "venting" here on the reflector. 73 de Bill
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
I can see that there are as many opinions about the DXCC list as there are participants (active or not). My question about Tom's ideas concerns the list of current countries (entities) -- would it be composed of countries that are or could be activated? In other words, SV (Mt. Athos), VU7, VU4, P5 can all be activated and may or may not be in the next decade or two. Certainly there are others as well. If a new entity falls under the criteria for making it to the list or one falls off because of political changes then so be it. DXCC is not like IOTA in terms of defined numbers of islands that qualify because the world is ever changing. There will, however, always be those who will find a loophole to circumvent what was thought to be a perfect system. Even though I operated from CY9 and CY0, I never agreed with my friends who worked so hard to have Sable and St. Paul accepted that their work was worth it. Mind you, I had the time of my life on each of those DXpeditions. But the rules were the rules at that time and a sharp-eyed legal beagle found a pinhole and crawled through it -- Sable and St. Paul counted. I do agree that an all-time total be bracketed after the callsign of the participant if for no other reason than to indicate his/her longevity in the hobby of DXing. That would serve to satisfy some egos and help to correct any decisions that no longer fit with the criteria of the day.. But again, like any government organization, the one that controls DX's supreme award is prone to pressure from lobbyists and agitators and most of us simply sit back and allow it all to happen. Money, when combined with ego, talks. 73 Al, VE1AL ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/03 6:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On another front, the new DXCC is clearly the Challenge but by not starting fresh and allowing the OTs to scour their QSL files, the League missed an incentive opportunity for the relatively newer DXers. Not exactly a level playing field. In pushing for a fresh start, I pointed out that W4DR would be the first winner and the next 10 were equally easy to predict. In the Challenge a golden opportunity was missed. 73, Steve WB6RSE There is another 'gotcha' in the DXCC Challenge, namely the inclusion of SIX METERS in the totals. Steve is right, there are NO surprises in the DXCC Challenge Listings. Just look at the I2EOW TOPBANDS List and then add in the 6M DXCC Totals and you can accurately predict the Top DXCC Challenge listees. Note that the Top Guns in the USA on 6M have around 140 'entities' on that band. This means that a Top Gun HF (only) DXer will still be 140 'points' below W4DR, W1JR, K8MFO, and others with high 6M totals after spending hundreds of $$$ to have their 12, 15, 17, 20, and 30M QSL's 'verified' by ARRL. Unfortunately, the DXCC Challenge Listing consists ONLY of the TOTAL number of Band Countries, including SIX Meters. Hopefully they will eventually come out with a TOPBANDS like listing that includes the number of (Current) DXCC Entities by BAND as well as the Total. Using LifeTime numbers for the Single Band DXCC Listings is another 'gotcha'. I grind my teeth when I look at the 40M DXCC Listing for example. I only need TWO entities on that band (BS and P5) but am 16 entities behind the leader, W8AH because AL has another 14 DELETED entities that I will never be able to add to my totals. It's WAY past time to use CURRENT ENTITIES for the DXCC Listings. If the OT's want recognition for their Deleted Totals, I have no objection to showing LifeTime or Deleted Totals following each call in the listing, but lets use Current Countries for the Basis of the Listings! Tom N4KG (with only 48 years of DXing under my belt) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
Morning to all, I've been reading all of this DX totals stuff and I guess maybe my question is too simple, but here it is: Is it REALLY that important to any one of you that you be NUMBER ONE? I just don't get it I guess.there are so many more important things in life. Just my 2 centsno clue as to my Total Total Total...I just know I need VU4 and VU7. I hope I get them, but then if I don't just put this on my headstone: Here lies Tony, he never worked VU4 and VU7 R.I.P. grins Tony, W4FOA Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. -Frank Outlaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX? In a message dated 7/10/03 6:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On another front, the new DXCC is clearly the Challenge but by not starting fresh and allowing the OTs to scour their QSL files, the League missed an incentive opportunity for the relatively newer DXers. Not exactly a level playing field. In pushing for a fresh start, I pointed out that W4DR would be the first winner and the next 10 were equally easy to predict. In the Challenge a golden opportunity was missed. 73, Steve WB6RSE There is another 'gotcha' in the DXCC Challenge, namely the inclusion of SIX METERS in the totals. Steve is right, there are NO surprises in the DXCC Challenge Listings. Just look at the I2EOW TOPBANDS List and then add in the 6M DXCC Totals and you can accurately predict the Top DXCC Challenge listees. Note that the Top Guns in the USA on 6M have around 140 'entities' on that band. This means that a Top Gun HF (only) DXer will still be 140 'points' below W4DR, W1JR, K8MFO, and others with high 6M totals after spending hundreds of $$$ to have their 12, 15, 17, 20, and 30M QSL's 'verified' by ARRL. Unfortunately, the DXCC Challenge Listing consists ONLY of the TOTAL number of Band Countries, including SIX Meters. Hopefully they will eventually come out with a TOPBANDS like listing that includes the number of (Current) DXCC Entities by BAND as well as the Total. Using LifeTime numbers for the Single Band DXCC Listings is another 'gotcha'. I grind my teeth when I look at the 40M DXCC Listing for example. I only need TWO entities on that band (BS and P5) but am 16 entities behind the leader, W8AH because AL has another 14 DELETED entities that I will never be able to add to my totals. It's WAY past time to use CURRENT ENTITIES for the DXCC Listings. If the OT's want recognition for their Deleted Totals, I have no objection to showing LifeTime or Deleted Totals following each call in the listing, but lets use Current Countries for the Basis of the Listings! Tom N4KG (with only 48 years of DXing under my belt) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
I also have been reading most of this thread with limited interest, and Tony said it all. Yes, working them all is probably a little more important to me than Tony. I need BS7, VU4, E3, and ZL9. At almost 65, I Might have a shot at the last 2. However, if I don't work them all, so be it. I had my chances at the last two in 1999 and wasn't paying attention, and in my lifetime I have had a shot at all four. Shame on me, not the system. Quit whining and leave the system alone. It has it's problems, but don't we all? It has served us well since I started chasing DX in 1958. Get your shorts out of a wad and wait like the rest of us. 73, Mike, W5UC At 08:50 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Tony Martin wrote: Morning to all, I've been reading all of this DX totals stuff and I guess maybe my question is too simple, but here it is: Is it REALLY that important to any one of you that you be NUMBER ONE? I just don't get it I guess.there are so many more important things in life. Just my 2 centsno clue as to my Total Total Total...I just know I need VU4 and VU7. I hope I get them, but then if I don't just put this on my headstone: Here lies Tony, he never worked VU4 and VU7 R.I.P. grins Tony, W4FOA Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. -Frank Outlaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX? In a message dated 7/10/03 6:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On another front, the new DXCC is clearly the Challenge but by not starting fresh and allowing the OTs to scour their QSL files, the League missed an incentive opportunity for the relatively newer DXers. Not exactly a level playing field. In pushing for a fresh start, I pointed out that W4DR would be the first winner and the next 10 were equally easy to predict. In the Challenge a golden opportunity was missed. 73, Steve WB6RSE There is another 'gotcha' in the DXCC Challenge, namely the inclusion of SIX METERS in the totals. Steve is right, there are NO surprises in the DXCC Challenge Listings. Just look at the I2EOW TOPBANDS List and then add in the 6M DXCC Totals and you can accurately predict the Top DXCC Challenge listees. Note that the Top Guns in the USA on 6M have around 140 'entities' on that band. This means that a Top Gun HF (only) DXer will still be 140 'points' below W4DR, W1JR, K8MFO, and others with high 6M totals after spending hundreds of $$$ to have their 12, 15, 17, 20, and 30M QSL's 'verified' by ARRL. Unfortunately, the DXCC Challenge Listing consists ONLY of the TOTAL number of Band Countries, including SIX Meters. Hopefully they will eventually come out with a TOPBANDS like listing that includes the number of (Current) DXCC Entities by BAND as well as the Total. Using LifeTime numbers for the Single Band DXCC Listings is another 'gotcha'. I grind my teeth when I look at the 40M DXCC Listing for example. I only need TWO entities on that band (BS and P5) but am 16 entities behind the leader, W8AH because AL has another 14 DELETED entities that I will never be able to add to my totals. It's WAY past time to use CURRENT ENTITIES for the DXCC Listings. If the OT's want recognition for their Deleted Totals, I have no objection to showing LifeTime or Deleted Totals following each call in the listing, but lets use Current Countries for the Basis of the Listings! Tom N4KG (with only 48 years of DXing under my belt) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
On 7/11/2003 Mike, W5UC, wrote: Quit whining and leave the system alone. It has it's problems, but don't we all? It has served us well since I started chasing DX in 1958. Get your shorts out of a wad and wait like the rest of us. BRAVO ZULU!!! Well put Mike! 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX?
Carl wrote: Monk Apollo is not going to live forever...then what ? Food for thought. 73, de Carl K8AV Change entity of Mount Athos to that of Monk Apollo. Then when he dies it goes into the goodby list as the entity has ceased to exist. There! 73, de John N6JM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] What is DX
How long is this going to go on,sure glad my delete key is still working
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX
ve7kb wrote: How long is this going to go on,sure glad my delete key is still working Heck, OM, it's a DX forum. If not interested, yes do use your delete key. But, please let those who are interested to continue on. de John N6JM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What is DX
My delete keyis working finebut surely getting a work out lately. Getting a little tired of the same 4 or 5 guys always trying to explain their views no matter what the subject is.There must be more out there excluding this inner core? Randy WX5L - Original Message - From: ve7kb To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] What is DX How long is this going to go on,sure glad my delete key is still working
Re: [DX-CHAT] Need 40M Info
From a Canadian prospective, our license allows us to use any mode anywhere in our allocated amateur bands. There are recommendations from our national organization, RAC, but these are just that, recomendations. To date Canadian amateurs have generally operated as per the RAC recommendations but during contests, more flexibility is excersised. The WRC changes to 40 meters simple reduce some broadcast QRM. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX [EMAIL PROTECTED] 403.251.0384 ARRL DXCC Card Checker-Southern VE6 http://www.qsl.net/ve6lb - Original Message - From: Tom Wylie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; John Warren Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Need 40M Info I dont think its a cse of what the American's do, but what use will the European make of this extended part of the band. The USA already HAS use of this part of the band. I guess us Europeans will populate it with SSB and let the CW end of 40 creep up to maybe 7.050 with Digi modes between 7.050 and 7.070 - but who knows, the Germans or the Italians may have other ideas.. 73 de tom GM4FDM :-) - Original Message - From: John Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Need 40M Info I'm trying to better understand the current amateur uses of the 7100-7150 range. I know it's Novice/Tech-Plus CW territory. But presumably that's declining, as the Novice license falls into disuse, and those folks can now easily upgrade to General, and get on 7025+. I think it has (or had?) another CW use too: transcontinental traffic handling. How active is that? Any specific frequencies favored? Then there are the digital modes. There are two RTTY windows down below 7100, but I think ARRL tried to initiate a third one above 7100. Where does that stand? How heavily used are are the digital modes above 7100? Any particular frequency preference? All relevant info welcomed! TIA, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
