Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] (Fwd) [GOLIST] KP5
Or perhaps he was someone who made a previous, and serious request to operate from KP5 and was refused. Then he hears that someone else is there with some kind of permission and complains about why he waas refused and then someone else allowed. FW then decides it doesn't want to get sued for this apparent discrimination and then makes the active op stop making radio contacts from KP5. I am sure there is much more to the story than we all know. Don't be too quick to critisize his/their motives unless you do in fact know the complete story. It might be quite different than it appears. I think most of us applaude the 2 men who managed to activate KP5, and I am one of them. I needed that country for DXCC and did manage to make a contact. I hope it gets confirmed and gets my country needed list down to 3. I have cards from 70 that have not been accepted by DXCC for similar problems, and they will probably never get confirmed. Given the current political and governmental situation in that country, I will probably go to my grave without a confirmation of 7O. JOhn Owens - N7SEJ --- HK3CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: HK3CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:49:19 -0500 To: dx-news@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] (Fwd) [GOLIST] KP5 I'd call him a disgruntled DXpeditioner...maybe he was thinking or had plans in place of going to KP5 and these guys just were faster to get the thing going. I remember a couple of DXP would be spoilers...like a DXP that announced it plans to go Comoros and just a week before some others jumped and did a minor expedition..it turned out the Comoros team was awesome and they are still the best DXP qso wise. The thing has happened a number of times... Suing in USA is a national pastime. 73 de HK3CW ROB - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: Barry ; Steve-KF2TI Cc: dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] (Fwd) [GOLIST] KP5 What would motivate someone to do this kind of thing? How maladjusted can some people be? Maybe this is one of the people who deliberately QRM dxpeditions?? Maybe it's the sort of person who writes obscenities on walls, who vandalises parked cars? Go get therapy whoever you are. Dave G0OIL Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ham that complained to his Congressman should be banned from DXCC for life. What a jerk! Barry W2UP Steve-KF2TI wrote: From the GoList reflector --- Forwarded message follows --- To: , From: Chuck Chandler Date sent: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:21:02 -0600 Subject: [GOLIST] KP5 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Interesting story posted for DailyDX subscribers regarding the recent KP5 operation. Turns out the operation was cut short due to another ham complaining to the FWS and to his congressman demanding it be stopped. I wonder who this might be? Perhaps he will step forward and give his side of the story and his reasons for doing so? I'd say keeping silent would damn him in the minds of most hams. Sorry, unless you are a subscriber Bernie has prohibited forwarding the document. Worth a read. == 73 de Chuck, WS1L [EMAIL PROTECTED] == [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GOLIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End of forwarded message --- -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- _ Netscape. just the net you need Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Future DXpeditions
Don said: ""You are not correct, the radios antennas etc are all going BACK to the manufacturers."" Why am I not correct? The manufacturers donated(or loaned if you prefer) tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. In return the equipment manufacturers can rightfully expect credit and the maximum exposure of their products. Don Said: ""Each member of the team put up $20K or so each. Each member had to take 6 weeks or more out his life."" As I have said they are to be commended for what they have accomplished and endured. They are a very special group of individuals who deserve all the accolades they have been, and will continue to, receive. Don said: ""It is well over half of the expended $."" I did not make a definite statement. I said "most likely". I based my comment on all the financial info that has been made public so far. Don said: ""This team put out over 87,000 QSOs, the 5 most DXPedtion EVER. It likely will go down as the costliest ever."" I guess we have a new syndrome here which I will call the Bode Miller syndrome. A lot of time, money, and resources were spent on Bode Miller and he didn't finish in the top 3. 3YØX was ""the costliest ever"" and didn't finish in the top 3. Could I have done better, NO. Do I have a right to point out what I perceived, from my own experiences,to have been the shortcomings, YES. Lastly Don said: ""They don't owe you anything Mal"" I take particular exception to that remark.At no time have I ever asked for nor do I expect anything. I made all my contacts with the xpedtion 'fair-n-square'. I don't know what the duties of a PILOT are, butif one of the duties is to take a personal disparaging shot at anyone who criticizes the xpedition then you have more than succeeded at your duties. Very Best 73 MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia - Original Message - From: Don Greenbaum To: N7MAL ; Tom Wylie ; Russell Kellam Jr Cc: Ken Holdom ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:54 Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Future DXpeditions You are not correct, the radios antennas etc are all going BACK to the manufacturers.Each member of the team put up $20K or so each. Each member had to take 6 weeks or more out his life.It is well over half of the expended $.This team put out over 87,000 QSOs, the 5 most DXPedtion EVER. It likely will go down as the costliest ever.They don't owe you anything Mal.DonAt 03:04 AM 2/23/2006, N7MAL wrote: The email that I'm responding to seems like the perfect one for me to 'wrap-up' my original posting. You see Tom, GM4FDM, is 100% correct dead on the money. But, and this is a big BUT, for his type of operation only. When you go somewhere and you're paying all the bills you get to do whatever, whenever, and however you want.The 3YØX guys were not paying all the bills, most likely not even half of them. There were donated radio's, antenna's, etc. Those manufacturers have a right, yes a right, to have their equipment exposed to the maximum number of hams possible. Next the 'collection plate' was passed around and a great many hams stepped up with financial donations. Those folks had the right to expect fairness in the operating style of the xpedition. Yes the 3YØX operators must use their best judgment possible pertaining to what band/mode is the most productive at a given time. For the most part they were nearly perfect at determining band/mode.I'm going to say this now for the 4th time: """ Yes they did a 'bang-up' job, and yes they did it under horrible, grueling, conditions."""I criticized one small segment of the xpedition, a part that rightfully or wrongfully, deserved criticism. I did not condemn the entire operation."""My hat is off to those guys for going to one of the most God forsaken places on earth for 'ham-radio'.MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia
[DX-CHAT] DX-NEW KP5
Copied pasted from http://www.arrl.org/ Looks like KP5 is approved. Way to go Dave! DXCC Desk approves operation for DXCC credit (Feb 23, 2006) -- The ARRL DXCC Desk has approved this operation for DXCC credit: K3LP/KP5 and N3KS/KP5, Desecheo Island, December 16-17, 2005. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Future DXpeditions
Why am I not correct? The manufacturers donated(or loaned if you prefer) tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. In return the equipment manufacturers can rightfully expect credit and the maximum exposure of their products. Mal, What makes you the arbiter of what other people should be doing. It's up to manufactures to determine their expectation of operations, not you. NO. Do I have a right to point out what I perceived, from my own experiences, to have been the shortcomings, YES. You have the right to point out your opinions, you don't have the right to point out those opinions where ever you choose. In addition, you are not labeling your OPINIONS as what they are, simply opinions. You are stating dogma. What people should or shouldn't be doing. Urb, W2DEC
