RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Ron: All good information. You and Osten have a lot more info that I have been privy to. This all makes it obviious that it is not a clear cut situation on how to get properly licensed in Yemen first place, and then get the necessary documentaion to get DXCC certification. If it is difficult for a DXpedition to deal with, imagine how difficult it is for the ARRL to establish a clear cut, stable set of rules to follow in order to get operating licenses and permission, and then the necessary documentation to get DXCC cert. In cases like this, I think the DXCC rules situation has to have a fair amount of flexibility in its interpretation. Lets hope the G4HCL and other upcoming 7O ops are a bit more successful in this regard. That is why we are talking about this to help understand and aid the process. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback,
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ,
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
At 01:25 PM 8/12/2007, Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Hans, I'm really confused. if you have information that will settle this issue, why in the name of heaver are YOU depriving hundreds, maybe thousands of the opportunity to confirm this entity? It's YOUR move! Reveal your information and settle this once and for all. As for those of you upset with ARRL on this, please redirect your anger toward Hans as he appears to be the real culprit here. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
I see. Sir, I do not know who you are, as you have not signed a call and are using a somewhat generic email address to hide your identity. So I have no way of knowing whether or not your claims are accurate. Regardless. You have asked me to withdraw my statement which read as follows: (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. This comment is based on published amateur radio news reports circa 2002. If anything has changed in the last five years, it has not been published. Now: In reviewing the information, I do find that I made a small error in that statement. I should not have stated that no documentation was ever submitted, but that no official documenation from the government was submitted (for reference see http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/08/15/2). I had thought that was implicit within the context of the discussion and had not intended it to be perceived otherwise. I apologize for the error as it was unintentional. Therefore, please consider my point amended to read as follows: (2) As far as is publicly known, the 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY official documenation from the Yemen government to the ARRL DXCC Desk. Without official documenation, the operation (as per DXCC Rules) can not be approved for DXCC credit. Further, the last reports of any submission of material regards photographs and possibly other non-government documentation that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen in 2002. Having said that: Hans, if you are who you imply that you are, and as a member of this reflector have been following this discussion... can you help explain to the DX community what the documentation holdup is? I realize that this is a complex situation, and thanks to a local DX'er, retired military, who served in the Middle East at one time, I have a slight understanding of how complicated the political situation can be. So I am not asking you to violate confidences, or reveal things that should not be revealed at this time. Still... surely there must be something that can be said to shed light on the situation? After all, you do seem upset that I (and others) are guessing. Yes, we are speculating based on what little we know and what little we can infer from published reports. Considering the number of DX'ers who are upset about the situation, this is to be expected. So what can you tell us that will clear up the speculation? 73 -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL
All right gang, once again, please tone it down. Tempers are starting to flare, and the only thing that I want to see with flares right now is the Sun. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BKGarcia Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL Mike -- And how did you conclude that eQSL is worthless...? That seems to be your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I'd just like to know how you came to that conclusion. Are you implying there is more fraud in the eQSL database than the DXCC system? If so, how do you know that? If there were fraud in the LoTW, do you think it would be readily exposed by HQ ARRL? I'm not confident it would be, and that's my opinion. And how valuable was the bandwidth you used to slam eQSL compared to the bandwidth others used to piss on the League? Inquiring minds want to know how you made that judgement. In my opinion eQSL is managed with as much integritry as LoTW and the DXCC program. eQSL has an incentive to avoid fraud if they are to be successful (i.e., earn the respect of the ham community while making money). I had to fax a copy of my FCC license to eQSL to register. Isn't that sufficient to avoid fraud? eQSL collects donations and fees. ARRL collects dues and fees. Where do you see a significant difference between eQSL and LoTW other than that the League and DXCC have been in business longer. You didn't slam the CQ Magazine equivalent of DXCC. Does that mean you accept that program? If so, why? What about the CQ WAZ program. 5 Band WAZ seems to me to be a significant achievement -- and you must get paper in hand to get credit, not just a database entry in LoTW. Hu I don't find any significant faults in the way ARRL administers the DXCC program. They seem to take it seriously and work to keep it up to date. I also don't find any fault with either eQSL or the CQ DX programs. All have their rules and they seem to stick to their respective rules. None of those programs are worthless in my opinion. Bert, N8NN - Original Message - From: Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL It's amazing how these discussions always evolve into ARRL bashing sessions. All of this huffing puffing and crying moaning the blues about how sorry ARRL is, but I never see anyone stepping up to the plate to offer anything better. It's a very simple equation. If you don't like the ARRL, that's fine. Don't participate in DXCC. Go participate in something worthless like e-qsl, but please don't waste our time and bandwidth pissing moaning about the League. For me, I think they do an excellent job of managing a program that no-one else has the courage(ba**s) nor finding to manage. Get over it! 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? What an unbelievable bunch of childish crap! Sounds like a couple of 5th graders in a schoolyard. -- John - W2AGN Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Hans, The DXCC Desk has publicly said in multiple forums that the 7O1YGF group has NEVER presented any documentation other than a few pictures showing the group in some Arab country. If written documentation - license, permission to operate and stamped passports - exist, scan it an post it on the web site for the rest of the world to see and evaluate. If you can't or wont post it, the ARRL statement remains unchallenged. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
W2AGN wrote: Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? What an unbelievable bunch of childish crap! Sounds like a couple of 5th graders in a schoolyard. Is this an appropriate time to pen the oft used line: It's only a hobby... ? 73, Barry -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Test
I apologize for the e mail just trying to see if it works. 73 Joey Richard Joey Fiero II W5TFW EM-40 Director 6 Clubwww.6mt.com Home Page === www.w5tfw.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
