Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
As I look at the calendar, I find myself celebrating the 50th anniversary of my first ham license. Hopefully that qualifies me to participate in this thread about MisQ's. I haven't heard anyone use QSL in lieu of Over, but I don't spend that much time on phone. The hobby needs new blood, so if we end up inheriting some old CBer's, welcome them on board and help them transition to the norms of this hobby. Without new blood, our numbers will dwindle to where the FCC will just farm out our spectrum. I do cringe a bit over terms like 10-4 good buddy, got your ears on, and I hear that. These will hopefully dissolve away over time. I would gladly tolerate the MisQ's if I could exchange them for removal of the frequency cops (up, up, up, up - one is enough), tuner upper's, or deliberate QRMer's who always know exactly where the good DXpedition operating frequencies are. It is like I am like trying to adapt to like changes that occur in our language like over time, if you get what I mean. This is still the greatest hobby out there, and it has been very good to me. I wish I could look forward to another 50 years, but that is unlikely. Stay tuned! John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:08 AM 6/3/2008, David Yarnes wrote: You describe the problem very well. The only thing is, it's kind of like an accent. You can pick it up going in, and you tend to lose it going out. Habits are hard to break, but so long as we don't pick up on it ourselves, I think in time it will begin to fade. Personally hearing QSL instead of over doesn't bother me in the slightest, especially if the QSO is with someone who doesn't speak English very well. The more of an impediment the language barrier is the more inclined I am to follow the other op's lead; if he turns it over to me with QSL? I will use that with him if there's any doubt and if condx are marginal, etc. For stateside-to-stateside or between native English-speakers (from anywhere), I think it's silly, but to each their own. On local repeaters, though, it does grate on me, as does most other lingo when both sides are full-quieting and in-range of the repeater. When I elmer new hams I stress the importance of just speaking to other hams the same as you'd talk to non-radio friends on the phone. The one bit of cb-crap that sets my teeth on edge is on the side. Regards, Peter, W2IRT --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
Did you mean they have as in CB'ers saying 73's or hams? The misuse of 73's goes back a lot further than the advent of Citizen's Band radio. Just do a Google Image search of W1AW QSL or 1AW QSL and you'll see The Old Man himself was guilty of this faux pas. Case in point, he signed the back of his QSL card Best 73's 1AW H. P. Maxim see link to image: http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/images/Maxim_signature.JPG Another example appears here: http://picasaweb.google.com/w8jyz.Bob/OldQSLCardsTheEarlyDays/photo#5136931525198515858 vy 73, K2CD, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: They have always said (although incorrectly) 73's which means plenty of best wishes. Jim Abercrombie N4JA (an original non-vanity call) ex- K4BMS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
By my last line I meant hams as far back as I can remember. Also, one of the other terms which crept in from CB is what is your personal?. I even heard an Australian ham ask someone that question on 10 meters SSB a couple of years ago. Also we have had newbys come on a roundtable frequency trying to break in by saying QSK or CQ. I've heard both. Maybe the technician test should have one of the questions on the question pool as to the proper way to break into a QSO (another Q-signal term hi hi!). Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF repeater, mean emergency? All of that is perfect nonsense. Jim - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone Did you mean they have as in CB'ers saying 73's or hams? The misuse of 73's goes back a lot further than the advent of Citizen's Band radio. Just do a Google Image search of W1AW QSL or 1AW QSL and you'll see The Old Man himself was guilty of this faux pas. Case in point, he signed the back of his QSL card Best 73's 1AW H. P. Maxim see link to image: http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/images/Maxim_signature.JPG Another example appears here: http://picasaweb.google.com/w8jyz.Bob/OldQSLCardsTheEarlyDays/photo#5136931525198515858 vy 73, K2CD, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: They have always said (although incorrectly) 73's which means plenty of best wishes. Jim Abercrombie N4JA (an original non-vanity call) ex- K4BMS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
He also used two Q signals on the card instead of writing it out. Kind of like a phone op speaking out HI HI instead of laughing eh? Personally, I don't have a problem with people using Q signals on phone. I just thought it interesting that it was on the scan of the card. Somehow me thinks he didn't come from the C.B. ranks. Hal NN8L - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone Did you mean they have as in CB'ers saying 73's or hams? The misuse of 73's goes back a lot further than the advent of Citizen's Band radio. Just do a Google Image search of W1AW QSL or 1AW QSL and you'll see The Old Man himself was guilty of this faux pas. Case in point, he signed the back of his QSL card Best 73's 1AW H. P. Maxim see link to image: http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/images/Maxim_signature.JPG Another example appears here: http://picasaweb.google.com/w8jyz.Bob/OldQSLCardsTheEarlyDays/photo#5136931525198515858 vy 73, K2CD, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: They have always said (although incorrectly) 73's which means plenty of best wishes. Jim Abercrombie N4JA (an original non-vanity call) ex- K4BMS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
You are the first to bring up the break thing i am a EMT in VA we use break to mean that we are done talking to one person and are starting on a new statement for some one else and some times i forget and do it on 2M and you would think it's the end of the world i had a guy dial 911 and had them on the line telling me he was ready for the break relay no sure what that even is -- 73, Camden Bullock N2CLB www.n2clb.com Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34 Jim Abercrombie wrote: By my last line I meant hams as far back as I can remember. Also, one of the other terms which crept in from CB is what is your personal?. I even heard an Australian ham ask someone that question on 10 meters SSB a couple of years ago. Also we have had newbys come on a roundtable frequency trying to break in by saying QSK or CQ. I've heard both. Maybe the technician test should have one of the questions on the question pool as to the proper way to break into a QSO (another Q-signal term hi hi!). Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF repeater, mean emergency? All of that is perfect nonsense. Jim - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone Did you mean they have as in CB'ers saying 73's or hams? The misuse of 73's goes back a lot further than the advent of Citizen's Band radio. Just do a Google Image search of W1AW QSL or 1AW QSL and you'll see The Old Man himself was guilty of this faux pas. Case in point, he signed the back of his QSL card Best 73's 1AW H. P. Maxim see link to image: http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/images/Maxim_signature.JPG Another example appears here: http://picasaweb.google.com/w8jyz.Bob/OldQSLCardsTheEarlyDays/photo#5136931525198515858 vy 73, K2CD, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: They have always said (although incorrectly) 73's which means plenty of best wishes. Jim Abercrombie N4JA (an original non-vanity call) ex- K4BMS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
The line Break, Break, Break appears in The New Technician Class FCC License Preparation, Third Edition, which contained the July 1, 1990 326 Question Pool. Gorden West, WB6NOA is credited, and it was Developed and Published by Master Publishing, Inc., and distributed by Radio Shack. I quote from page 41: 3AB-2-1-2 Why should users of a station in repeater operation pause briefly between transmissions? A. To check the SWR of the repeater B. To reach for pencil and paper for third party traffic C. To listen for any hams wanting to break in D. To dial up the repeater's autopatch ANSWER C: A repeater is like a party linethere may be others who may wish to use the system. In an emergency, stations may break in saying Break, Break, Break. Give up the channel immediately. Always leave enough time between picking up the conversation for other stations to break in. It's a pause that may refresh someone else's day in an emergency. I don't necessarily agree with Gordo, but the first time I saw it in print was in one of his manuals. vy 73, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF repeater, mean emergency? All of that is perfect nonsense. Jim --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Jim Abercrombie wrote: By my last line I meant hams as far back as I can remember. Also, one of the other terms which crept in from CB is what is your personal?. I even heard an Australian ham ask someone that question on 10 meters SSB a couple of years ago. Also we have had newbys come on a roundtable frequency trying to break in by saying QSK or CQ. I've heard both. Maybe the technician test should have one of the questions on the question pool as to the proper way to break into a QSO (another Q-signal term hi hi!). Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF repeater, mean emergency? All of that is perfect nonsense. Jim Our local 440 MHz repeater is used frequently by the county ARES, which I'm a member of. We use break tags a lot during ARES activities: http://www.wa9res.org/documents/Break%20Tags.pdf The use of these has carried over to people who aren't ARES members, using the repeater in general. It's kind of refreshing! 73, Zack W9SZ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone
In the past, using the phrase break, break, break--called a triple break--was supposed to only occur in an emergency. This comes from net operating procedures mainly. Otherwise, you would just say break, break if you wanted to be recognized, but not for emergency purposes. Nonetheless, a single break is often used to request recognition. The term break, spoken only once, is also intended to indicated a separation between parts. For example, when passing a message, there will often be heard the term break after the address of the person for whom the message is intended, but prior to the actual text. The military similarly used the word break as a separator between parts. Another example is that a net control station might use the term break to clearly indicate the end of one task or communication, and the beginning of another. Net operating procedures are not all that familiar to most hams these days as there are not very many nets left. There was a time when I was very active in net operations, and there were lots of nets in which to participate. Most were run under very strict procedures. The ones I hear today are much less formal for the most part. Perhaps the MARS nets still in operation are run more formally, but only a handful of others seem to retain that kind of net discipline. But net operations used to be primarily for the purpose of passing traffic, whereas now most of them are just a regularly scheduled event where people show up, and perhaps take their turn at a short, informal transmission. So, I don't think the documented procedures have necessarily changed, but the actual practice of these procedures has moderated substantially. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Abercrombie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone The line Break, Break, Break appears in The New Technician Class FCC License Preparation, Third Edition, which contained the July 1, 1990 326 Question Pool. Gorden West, WB6NOA is credited, and it was Developed and Published by Master Publishing, Inc., and distributed by Radio Shack. I quote from page 41: 3AB-2-1-2 Why should users of a station in repeater operation pause briefly between transmissions? A. To check the SWR of the repeater B. To reach for pencil and paper for third party traffic C. To listen for any hams wanting to break in D. To dial up the repeater's autopatch ANSWER C: A repeater is like a party linethere may be others who may wish to use the system. In an emergency, stations may break in saying Break, Break, Break. Give up the channel immediately. Always leave enough time between picking up the conversation for other stations to break in. It's a pause that may refresh someone else's day in an emergency. I don't necessarily agree with Gordo, but the first time I saw it in print was in one of his manuals. vy 73, Mike Jim Abercrombie wrote: Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF repeater, mean emergency? All of that is perfect nonsense. Jim --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
