Re: [DX-CHAT] Statistically bad pileup behavior
That's an interesting mail, Jim. It regularly occurs to me that bad pileup behaviour seems to be statistically worse when there's propagation from the DXpedition to a certain part of Southern Europe (unfortunately about 23.9 hours per day all bands). I'm not suggesting that *all* people from this particular country are bad operators, nor that *all* exhibit the same symptoms of mental illness as IT9RYH does: consistently, belligerently and deliberately QRMing by calling CQ ad nauseam on DX frequencies but when I listen to my TX VFO it somehow always seems to be a signal from that part of the world calling constantly and making my QSO with the DX take about 15 times as long as it should do. It usually goes something like this: G0? 5NN IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ G0O? 5NN IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ G0O? 5NN IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ G0OI? 5NN IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ ...etc. And that's on the rare occasion that the Europeans aren't sending dits, carriers, UP UP UP on the DX TX frequency or telling each other in which part of their anatomies to insert their radios. Other variants are: QRZ JA? IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ... (repeat 100 times) and QRZ NA? IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ IK0IQ... (repeat 1000 times) I agree when people say that the worst-behaved operators are the Europeans but it has to be said that not *all* Europeans exhibit such porcine manners on the air... Dave G0OIL --- On Tue, 26/7/11, Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu wrote: From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu Subject: [DX-CHAT] Statistically bad pileup behavior To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Tuesday, 26 July, 2011, 3:53 It occurred to me today that pileup behavior is probably no worse for ST0R than it has been for any other major DXpedition. People say, oh it's so much worse than when the PJ's came on the air. Remember, there were four different new entities back then, and multiple DXpeditions to each one. If 1% of the people calling in any given pileup are bad operators (TX on the DX station's frequency, call non-stop, etc.), then the number of these people you would hear in any given pileup was divided by the number of DX station-bands they were spread out across. ST0R is only one station at an all-time new one, so EVERYONE must work the same station to get in the log. This means where there could have been, say, 300 stations calling in any given PJ pileup, maybe 3 of those would operate badly. Now put all those same stations into one ST0R pileup. You might have, say, 2000 callers, and if the ratios stay the same, now 20 of them are misbehaving. It's just numbers -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
Forwarded from Wayne's post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land - not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won't ever do it again. Numbers don't work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X _ From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Waynes post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it wont ever do it again. Numbers dont work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
I believe 3Y0PI and a few others, by trying to follow the propagation paths, would work USA in the order 1-2-3-4-8-9-0-5-7-6. Seemed pretty successful for them. There have been operations especially from the Pacific that completely ignored propagation. They'd have paths to USA and JA at the same time on the low bands. They would lose propagation to USA before they would lose JA. But they would continue to work almost exclusively JA's during the time they had prop to USA. They got a lot of people upset. I have heard other DXpeditions go by continents - NA, SA, Asia, VK/ZL, parts of EU, etc. They would not neglect the rest of Asia just to work JA's. These ops seemed to make a whole lot more people happier. But I doubt it is even possible to make everyone happy. 73, Zack W9SZ' On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Dragan Davkovski davkov...@yahoo.comwrote: Right in the target Gary. W0 land is neither east nor west coast and almost all dxpeditions ignore this fact. They either work all USA or call for W6/W7 only. What about W0 only, hi? Nihiles Ante Unum! (Zeroes before Ones!) 73 Dragan KØAP, Z32XX -- *From:* Gary Wilburn g...@w8vi.com *To:* n...@bresnan.net; dx-n...@njdxa.org *Sent:* Tue, July 26, 2011 2:47:04 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land – not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- * * A DXpedition operator who says “JA Only” and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, “JA” means “Asia.” Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won’t ever do it again. Numbers don’t work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- *From:* kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] *On Behalf Of *BILL KIRK *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM *To:* ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org *Subject:* Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X -- *From:* M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru *To:* dx-n...@njdxa.org *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector
[DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
I Mostly agree, BUT best way to eliminate most of the heavy pile-up problems is to SPREAD it larger as possible i.e. CW - TX on .025 RX UP - higher as possible usse the jump lsn .032 then .044 then 059 back etc. its verry bad when DX usse so called DRIVE move step by step UP then down - then everybody know where DX is lsn all pile-up is focused in just few KHz QRM is too heavy , while other - midle freq are mostly empty with few callers. same on SSB , its verry hard for both sides if DX stn lsn 200-210 - QRM is too heavy focused in just few KHz its much better to usse 200-250 FULL CALL PLEASE usse the jumping allso. In this case: - there will be not much stations calling on same freq - so NOT much QRM-ers, - trying to find where DX is lsn. to give a call is not much productive just loosing of time - giving full call on SSB will produce more uniq CALL's in DX LOG However MOST IMPORTANT is to LISTEN LISTEN what DX stn. saying (keying)! IF DX say 2ZM? - ALL others QUIET - If You do so - then QSO with 2ZM will finish verry soon You will have chance to work the DX too - before CONDX gone, otherwise You just can go to the black list of DX operator He will try to ESCAPE QSO with You. JA's ALLWAYS IMPRESS Me with their discipline! HAVE NICE DAY ENJOY THE DX-ing ! Stay Tuned on SIX!!! 73 , GL DX !!! de: Mome Z32ZM , AH6ZM, 3D2ZM - Original Message - From: Wayne Mills n...@bresnan.net To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Working numbers can work, but it is arbitrary and not the most effective. It really accomplishes nothing but dividing the pileup. It accomplishes nothing more. There are better ways. The DXpeditioner should be paying attention to propagation and where/whom he is working. An important DXpedition must pay attention to the target area, the one of the three population centers in the world that is be the most difficult. Working by continents accomplishes this as well as dividing the pileup. Where you have two more-or-less equal targets you can even run two separate pileups, one in each area. Yes, it can be done, even on CW. Even Europe! Wayne -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Dave Gomberg Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:00 PM To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices At 11:46 7/26/2011, Wayne Mills wrote: Numbers don't work, either. Wayne, can you say more about this? I have seen it be pretty effective from both ends. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote: Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9 That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Waynes post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it wont ever do it again. Numbers dont work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
What is the best way to do by the numbers? x minutes for each number or until no response? x QSOs for each number or until no response? Or? Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 7/26/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Gomberg wrote: At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote: Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9 That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Wayne’s post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says “JA Only” and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, “JA” means “Asia.” Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won’t ever do it again. Numbers don’t work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
[DX-CHAT] Re: DXpedition calling practices
On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Zack W9SZ wrote: There have been operations especially from the Pacific that completely ignored propagation. They'd have paths to USA and JA at the same time on the low bands. ,, they would continue to work almost exclusively JA's during the time they had prop to USA. That got a lot of people upset! Oh how true Zack. I've been stewing about the following worst case example ever since it happened. But I'll try to be forgiving, and assume that the operator was totally inexperienced, and lacked any knowledge of propagation. However, I wish the DXpedition leaders had recognized that, and had provided him with some guidance! It was the most recent BS7H operation, at dawn W5 local time. Propagation was superb on 40M right at our sunrise, and BS7H was booming in, a genuine 59 on 40SSB into Austin. The Chinese op worked JAs nonstop for about two hours straight through NA sunrise. I don't think I have ever been so frustrated in my DXing career. 73, John, NT5C. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] (Fwd) RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
This discussion has been moved to DX-CHAT Please feel free to continue there Thank you for your co-operation and understanding THE MANAGEMENT --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:59:38 -0400 From: Joe Reisert j...@reisert.org Subject:RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices To: g...@w8vi.com, n...@bresnan.net, dx-n...@njdxa.org Send reply to: j...@reisert.org Gary, I disagree in part. If the DX station starts with W1 (which they often do), the W1's haven't always gotten there fast enough. Hence by the time a W1 gets there, he's now on W2! So this plan has its faults. Also, with so many guys out of their original call area, it really gets messy. Lots of W2s in FL and many W6s are on the Right Coast. To tell you the truth, if everyone only replied when the DX station called their call (or correct parts of same), things would go lots faster. Continuously calling and calling out of turn are serious impediments to the DX station working stations faster. 73, Joe, W1JR At 03:47 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land - not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JAmeans Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won´t ever do it again. Numbers don´t work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS,but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab- m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] (Fwd) [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
This discussion has been moved to DX-CHAT Please feel free to continue there Thank you for your co-operation and understanding THE MANAGEMENT --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:44:51 +0100 (BST) From: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no Subject:[DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Send reply to: la...@yahoo.no There is Europe and EUROPE. Some dont understand the difference between the Med-area and f ex Scandinavia, which are a world apart propagation-wise. Apart from that, I agree wtih Wayne 73 rag LA5HE --- Den tir 2011-07-26 skrev Wayne Mills n...@bresnan.net: Fra: Wayne Mills n...@bresnan.net Emne: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Til: dx-n...@njdxa.org Dato: Tirsdag 26. juli 2011 22.19 Working numbers can work, but it is arbitrary and not the most effective. It really accomplishes nothing but dividing the pileup. It accomplishes nothing more. There are better ways. The DXpeditioner should be paying attention to propagation and where/whom he is working. An important DXpedition must pay attention to the target area, the one of the three population centers in the world that is be the most difficult. Working by continents accomplishes this as well as dividing the pileup. Where you have two more-or-less equal targets you can even run two separate pileups, one in each area. Yes, it can be done, even on CW. Even Europe! Wayne -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Dave Gomberg Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:00 PM To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices At 11:46 7/26/2011, Wayne Mills wrote: Numbers don't work, either. Wayne, can you say more about this?I have seen it be pretty effective from both ends. -- Dave Gomberg, San FranciscoNE5EEProgramming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html --- -- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- End of forwarded message --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- - Description: Binary data - Description: Binary data
