Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
And there is always the old rule: if you don't like the game don't play it. Go away and play another game you like. Fred - PY7ZZ Em 21/12/2011 17:46, Ryan Jairam escreveu: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstadla...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairamrjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Lakewood, CO --- To
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Not my experience with DJ6SI. An SASE did it every time. There are a few current managers that charge an extra few bucks but most are fine. My contributions have always been via INDEXA or NCDXF. 73, Les W2LK On 12/21/2011 4:46 PM, Barry wrote: F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Not my experience with DJ6SI. An SASE did it every time. There are a few current managers that charge an extra few bucks but most are fine. My contributions have always been via INDEXA or NCDXF. 73, Les W2LK On 12/21/2011 4:46 PM, Barry wrote: F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is
[DX-CHAT] Who should pay for a DXpedition?
At 11:11 12/21/2011, Ryan Jairam wrote: It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or as some have opined for an upcoming attempt, even $1M. Which raises the question: Who should eat the cost? My answer is: The DXers should eat the cost of their personal expenses like food and minimal lodging. Ridiculous lodging like $300 per bed night at Sable is a different matter. The DXers should also contribute something to the general expenses of the trip. But the bulk of the remainder should be born by clubs/foundations and the deserving. If Heard will cost $1M and generates 100K QSOs, that is $10 per QSO. Are the deserving really willing to pay that? And if not, who will? I can't imagine 20 DXers ponying up $50K each. Is the day of the DXpedition to remote rocks over? -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Gentlemen, I hope I didn't light this flame a week or so with my request for info re ST0R and LOTW. My apologies if I am guilty. This worn out thread needs to be buried. Please read what Ryan said in his email (below) as he is right on the mark. Most DXpeditions are not going to instantly put their logs on LOTW and shouldn't be expected to do so. They have substantial costs to try and recover, and we should help them do it or DXpeditions are going to disappear. I doubt very much that anyone is making money by doing a DXpedition, and are frequently exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Be kind and considerate to the guys who take these risks to put a QSO in your log. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points. But let's stick to the important one. I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some point. I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when they plan to do that. The group has done several other trips in the past, including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past. why would they change now? Nor do I think they are deliberately delaying solely to rake in money, despite allegations from you to the contrary. I base this again on their past history. my E4X QSO's were confirmed on LotW before I sent for my QSL card. If they were waiting for a payoff, it would have been a long time before my LotW confirmation arrived. So why is it taking so long? As I told you directly, you'll get the best answer by asking them directly. But I suspect they're busy. merging logs, checking for bad or missing information, putting things away, sorting incoming requests, and so forth. And that is in ADDITION to them living their lives, working, family, other operating, etc. Therefore: Cut them some slack. I'm sure you're eager for your confirmations to come, since it's a new one, but they will come. Yes. T32C uploaded within a few weeks. So have other groups. Others have taken months, some years. Others have not uploaded at all. Are you going to try and pressure everyone else into giving you near- or relative-instant gratification? Therefore: trying to pressure them into moving faster, solely because YOU are impatient, is not the answer. And using this reflector to try and stir up pressure is pointless. and against the spirit (if not the precise letter) of the rules of this reflector. This reflector is meant for discussion of news and events (the announcement of that news belongs on the companion DX NEWS reflector), and it is meant to do so in a calm, rational, friendly matter. It is NOT meant to pressure, coerce, or otherwise hassle DX operators or those who volunteer their time to operate and/or confirm DXpeditions. Your earlier criticism of the ST0R group over your unhappiness over their confirmation policies with regard to Logbook of the World came dangerously close to crossing the line. I am not putting on my Administrator hat. yet. I am simply cautioning you to tone it down and/or knock it off. Your position has been noted. Now, if you can't continue a calm discussion without either pressure or gloating, perchance you should take your comments elsewhere. 73, ron w3wn _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:20 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW I have made my point. Others have made the same point. Pressure is building. Note that T32C uploaded to LoTW within six weeks, not months! 73 rag la5he http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Who should pay for a DXpedition?
IT IS FOR 4W6A QSO 22/9072518RTTY QSO 24/9065418RTTY Merry Christmas Teo EA6BH - Original Message - From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; c...@ncdxc.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:51 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Who should pay for a DXpedition? At 11:11 12/21/2011, Ryan Jairam wrote: It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or as some have opined for an upcoming attempt, even $1M. Which raises the question: Who should eat the cost? My answer is: The DXers should eat the cost of their personal expenses like food and minimal lodging. Ridiculous lodging like $300 per bed night at Sable is a different matter. The DXers should also contribute something to the general expenses of the trip. But the bulk of the remainder should be born by clubs/foundations and the deserving. If Heard will cost $1M and generates 100K QSOs, that is $10 per QSO. Are the deserving really willing to pay that? And if not, who will? I can't imagine 20 DXers ponying up $50K each. Is the day of the DXpedition to remote rocks over? -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Yes John I agree with your and Ryan's point. Those guys put a lot of work and time planning a DXpedition. Then as you properly said, they continue by exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Then they keep in front of the rig for many hours, to give a new entity to a lot of people around the world. Then they have to be exposing themselves again on the trip back home. And finally, the hard work to answer thousand of qsls. And what we have to do after a few hours of confortable work to make the qso ? Just send the qsl and WAIT for the answer. Or send the log to LOTW and WAIT for the match and credit. And follow THEIR instructions. If at the end of the qsl work they have some extra money, it's nice. They will use it for future dxpeditions. I don't know anybody that made money with Dxpeditions. But I know a lot of nice guys that always put his money on their expeditions and never see anything back. And we should always say thanks to them. They help to keep our hobby alive. Now we have some guys that did nothing to help the dxpeditions, saying they must do this, they must do that that's ridiculous ... As we use to say here IF YOU CAN'T HELP, DON'T DISTURB. Fred - PY7ZZ Em 21/12/2011 19:56, jcowe...@comcast.net escreveu: Gentlemen, I hope I didn't light this flame a week or so with my request for info re ST0R and LOTW. My apologies if I am guilty. This worn out thread needs to be buried. Please read what Ryan said in his email (below) as he is right on the mark. Most DXpeditions are not going to instantly put their logs on LOTW and shouldn't be expected to do so. They have substantial costs to try and recover, and we should help them do it or DXpeditions are going to disappear. I doubt very much that anyone is making money by doing a DXpedition, and are frequently exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Be kind and considerate to the guys who take these risks to put a QSO in your log. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
