Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
I dont count myself as a top notch DXer, but I have been on a few expeditions including the last major trip to Banaba T33C in 2004. I have never resorted to calling by numbers as I feel that this is the least fair way of doing things.When doing the numbers, WHY do we always start at ONE? Then we argue how many ONEs before going on to TWOs.Maybe in the USA where all the numbers are represented is is OK, but for example here in Scotland / UK, we dont have any G or GM9s, very few G/GM2s (very old timers) the 1s and the 5s are generally lower class licenses or people who have chosen not to upgrade (not all incidentally) so when they run the numbers in Europe, we are at a strong disadvantage and when for example they call for the 4s, they may only take 10 or 15, and there are a lot of EA4s, F4, I4s, DL4s, etc in addition to the UK. By the time we get a go, propagation has gone. If you really have to thin out the pile, then working by continents is best - you guys must know the propagation difference between W1 (a real one) and a W6 (again a real one). Its the same in Europe where the SVs, 9As, IK)s, have much different propagation from us up here in the frozen north. It is every bit as frustrating for us up here when the DX operator is not in charge of the pile up but the pile up is in charge of the DX operator. Really its an experience thing, and whilst we all have to learn, a major expedition is, in my humble opinion, not the correct time for a novice operator to learn the ropes. Tom GM4FDM T33C, T33TW, 3D2DM, V8FDM, TY9TW, VP8SDX et all. On 26/07/2011 23:03, Dave Gomberg wrote: At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote: Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9 That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Wayne's post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won't ever do it again. Numbers don't work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
[DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
Forwarded from Wayne's post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land - not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won't ever do it again. Numbers don't work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X _ From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Waynes post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it wont ever do it again. Numbers dont work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote: Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9 That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Waynes post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says JA Only and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, JA means Asia. Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it wont ever do it again. Numbers dont work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
What is the best way to do by the numbers? x minutes for each number or until no response? x QSOs for each number or until no response? Or? Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 7/26/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Gomberg wrote: At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote: Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 2's , etc. That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land. To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9 That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating sometimes! John K5MO At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote: Forwarded from Wayne’s post in dx-news Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would follow. By the numbers is great if your in 1 land not so great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings. 73, Gary W8VI -- A DXpedition operator who says “JA Only” and complains about calls by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, “JA” means “Asia.” Further, working strictly by counties is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won’t ever do it again. Numbers don’t work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well. 73, Wayne, N7NG Jackson, Wyoming -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice. 73, Bill NJ1X From: M.Vasiliev ra9ab-m...@mail.ru To: dx-n...@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices Hello Charles, Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear onlly EU and only JA and sometimes we even have no chance to work this DX in time of good propagation UA9 -You are not EU!. UA9 -You are not JA! Something like this :( Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote: CH When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as only CH JA, it is no surprise that they never call only HS, but by CH calling only EU etc, little old me in Thailand gets left CH out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America. There CH are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to CH try to break the JA only announcement, but have no choice. But CH it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the CH op ran JA only and twice made the mistake of sending HS and CH then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi. CH Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked. 73, Charly HS0ZCW -- Best regards, M.Vasiliev - R9AB - ICQ 8636160 mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orghttp://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
