Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
I always useQRL ?? for what it's worth. 73,DX, Ross K5RH Tony Martin W4FOA To: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED], [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] et cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need [EMAIL PROTECTED] dxa.org 09/09/2003 10:26 AM Yes indeed Zack! I still use the .. . and hear it quite often. Due to it's brevity, it is still the best but lacking much international support, it doesn't appear to be used much outside the USA. QRL? frequently blocks a lot of intelligence whereas the .. . hardly affects anything. I say let's encourage .. . 73 Tony, W4FOA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Larry, K4WLS wrote: We CW Ops have needed an appropriate Q Signal for years for Is the frequency in use ? Once upon a time someone tried to popularize the use of I E (didit dit) as an inquiry for Is the frequency in use? Somehow it never caught on like it was intended. I still use it now and then and I still hear others use it occasionally. It does have the advantage of occupying very little time and causing very little QRM if the frewuency is in use. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
So do I, and EVERYBODY knows what it means. I don't see the problem. Bill W5EC I always useQRL ?? for what it's worth. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
Larry..your question sparked some interest by the troops. The fact is however that we really cannot generate Q signals just for the USA; these are international in nature. Nothing however is to prevent any operator from making a query in any manner he chooses. 73NormK1AA - Original Message - From: Steve Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Norm Gertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Larry, K4WLS [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need Larry, you are right that it doesn't fit. However, everyone knows exactly what it means. Can you imagine the confusion as everyone, world wide, tried to implement such a change. I learned it years ago as a novice. While it literally isn't correct, why change it if it ain't broke. I don't get it. Steve, N4JQQ Norm Gertz wrote: Larry.how about QBY?Is the freq busy? 73 NormK1AA - Original Message - From: Larry, K4WLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need Would someone at ARRL who is in a leadership position take the following for action, pass it through the hallowed halls, under that curved piece of wood, and promulgate in the right direction. Oh, Wayne Mills, what say OM ? We CW Ops have needed an appropriate Q Signal for years for Is the frequency in use ? QRL ? - Are you (your station) busy (sending/receiving traffic) ? does not fit. QRZ ? - Who (what station) is calling me ? does not fit. I though about QFU: F - Freuency, U - use. That does fit, but well we CW Ops know that at times (especially in unruly pile-ups), we hear all too many FU's. So...What about QFB ? - Is the Frequency Busy (in use) ? What say CW Ops - can anyone come up with a better one ? On SSB, Is the frequency is use ? - that's easy. We CW guys need something more fitting than QRL or QRZ ! Larry - K4WLS Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
Good point Zack and I still prefer .. . After 50 years of DXing, I am still trying to find the REAL meaning of QSLL. It can mean only two things (I think)...I will send my card first or I will wait for your card. It seems about a 50/50 split as to the real meaning. I've never seen it written where the genuine definition is givenjust another Q signal to throw in the mix, hi. Tony, W4FOA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Norm Gertz wrote: Larry..your question sparked some interest by the troops. The fact is however that we really cannot generate Q signals just for the USA; these are international in nature. Nothing however is to prevent any operator from making a query in any manner he chooses. 73NormK1AA As long as both parties know what is being asked, there isn't a problem. If both people understand QRL? to mean Is this freq in use?, no matter what the book says it means, then that is what it is going to mean at the moment. If everyone understands what IE? means, then that will also commnuicate. The problem is going to be with new ops who don't know what these accepted meanings are when they differ from what the book says or aren't even in the book. But I think most people who are really interested are going to find out anyway. It didn't take me too long to find out what 5NN ATT meant after my first ARRL DX contest. (I actually wrote it down like that in the log at the time.) :) 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
I think we have enough jargon already - too many codes!! :0( Tom GM4FDM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Martin W4FOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need I always useQRL ?? for what it's worth. 73,DX, Ross K5RH Tony Martin W4FOA To: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED], [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] et cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need [EMAIL PROTECTED] dxa.org 09/09/2003 10:26 AM Yes indeed Zack! I still use the .. . and hear it quite often. Due to it's brevity, it is still the best but lacking much international support, it doesn't appear to be used much outside the USA. QRL? frequently blocks a lot of intelligence whereas the .. . hardly affects anything. I say let's encourage .. . 73 Tony, W4FOA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Larry, K4WLS wrote: We CW Ops have needed an appropriate Q Signal for years for Is the frequency in use ? Once upon a time someone tried to popularize the use of I E (didit dit) as an inquiry for Is the frequency in use? Somehow it never caught on like it was intended. I still use it now and then and I still hear others use it occasionally. It does have the advantage of occupying very little time and causing very little QRM if the frewuency is in use. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tony Martin W4FOA wrote: Good point Zack and I still prefer .. . After 50 years of DXing, I am still trying to find the REAL meaning of QSLL. It can mean only two things (I think)...I will send my card first or I will wait for your card. It seems about a 50/50 split as to the real meaning. I've never seen it written where the genuine definition is givenjust another Q signal to throw in the mix, hi. Tony, W4FOA Hi Tony, I prefer .. . too myself. That's a good one about QSLL. From my experience, it seems to me that most people mean it as I will wait for your card. I hear that more from European operators than anywhere else. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
We have been in the mix about the same amount of time(45 yrs here). The only meaning for QSLL that I ever heard is I will QSL upon receipt of yours 73 Mike, W5UC At 11:10 AM 9/10/2003 -0500, Tony Martin W4FOA wrote: Good point Zack and I still prefer .. . After 50 years of DXing, I am still trying to find the REAL meaning of QSLL. It can mean only two things (I think)...I will send my card first or I will wait for your card. It seems about a 50/50 split as to the real meaning. I've never seen it written where the genuine definition is givenjust another Q signal to throw in the mix, hi. Tony, W4FOA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Norm Gertz wrote: Larry..your question sparked some interest by the troops. The fact is however that we really cannot generate Q signals just for the USA; these are international in nature. Nothing however is to prevent any operator from making a query in any manner he chooses. 73 Norm K1AA As long as both parties know what is being asked, there isn't a problem. If both people understand QRL? to mean Is this freq in use?, no matter what the book says it means, then that is what it is going to mean at the moment. If everyone understands what IE? means, then that will also commnuicate. The problem is going to be with new ops who don't know what these accepted meanings are when they differ from what the book says or aren't even in the book. But I think most people who are really interested are going to find out anyway. It didn't take me too long to find out what 5NN ATT meant after my first ARRL DX contest. (I actually wrote it down like that in the log at the time.) :) 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003
RE: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
What say CW Ops - can anyone come up with a better one ? On SSB, Is the frequency is use ? - that's easy. We CW guys need something more fitting than QRL or QRZ ! Larry - K4WLS Most of us use simply QRL ? which seems to work. 73 RAG Ragnar Otterstad LA5HE JW5HE OZ8RO located in Telemark - Home of skiing. Take a look at : www.visitTelemark.no for more details. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
Larry.how about QBY?Is the freq busy? 73 NormK1AA - Original Message - From: Larry, K4WLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need Would someone at ARRL who is in a leadership position take the following for action, pass it through the hallowed halls, under that curved piece of wood, and promulgate in the right direction. Oh, Wayne Mills, what say OM ? We CW Ops have needed an appropriate Q Signal for years for Is the frequency in use ? QRL ? - Are you (your station) busy (sending/receiving traffic) ? does not fit. QRZ ? - Who (what station) is calling me ? does not fit. I though about QFU: F - Freuency, U - use. That does fit, but well we CW Ops know that at times (especially in unruly pile-ups), we hear all too many FU's. So...What about QFB ? - Is the Frequency Busy (in use) ? What say CW Ops - can anyone come up with a better one ? On SSB, Is the frequency is use ? - that's easy. We CW guys need something more fitting than QRL or QRZ ! Larry - K4WLS Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
I think this is one of those situations in which a literal translation is not the best real life meaning for QRL... if you've ever used one of those translators used to go from one language to another, then you know that what is actually said and what is actually meant can be two entirely different things. At this stage in the game I think it would be counterproductive to add another Q sign to the list...we have enough people who don't know the most commonly used prosigns, whereas most of the radio ops who operate CW on a larger scale know that QRL now implies Is the frequency in use? or The frequency is in use. If you look in one of the newer editions of the ARRL license manual, in fact, QRL is defined as such (an example is the Now You're Talking manual, 3rd edition). Of course, there are those who simply send a ?, but it gets frustrating because there are several meanings to this as well...who is on this frequency? , is the frequency in use?, say again?, what's your call?, etc. Let's work on getting more operators on CW rather than muddle up something that, in my opinion, really doesn't need to be made into an issue. 73, Bridget, KS4YT I can't do any literary work for the rest of this year because I'm meditating a lawsuit and looking around for a defendant. --Mark Twain Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
The long established practice for checking a frequency on cw is to send the letters I E Perhaps one of the really OTs can provide the history for this. The letter C in response means yes. 73, Steve WB6RSE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
That is rather interesting as the letters "I E" with a smaller space between the I and E mean "C" in the old American Morse. Tom Orr, W6HT The long established practice for checking a frequency on cw is to send the letters I EPerhaps one of the really OTs can provide the history for this.The letter C in response means "yes."73, Steve WB6RSESubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED]This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
In a message dated 9/9/03 11:14:43 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: most of the radio ops who operate CW on a larger scale know that QRL now implies Is the frequency in use? or The frequency is in use. Actually, QRL? implies the QUESTION is the frequency in use?' and QRL implies the STATEMENT the frequency is in use a subtle difference that has not registered with a LARGE number of operators. I like the .. . or ? idea. Much less interference is created by those procedures. Tom N4KG Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] New Q Signal Need
Would someone at ARRL who is in a leadership position take the following for action, pass it through the hallowed halls, under that curved piece of wood, and promulgate in the right direction. Oh, Wayne Mills, what say OM ? We CW Ops have needed an appropriate Q Signal for years for Is the frequency in use ? QRL ? - Are you (your station) busy (sending/receiving traffic) ? does not fit. QRZ ? - Who (what station) is calling me ? does not fit. I though about QFU: F - Freuency, U - use. That does fit, but well we CW Ops know that at times (especially in unruly pile-ups), we hear all too many FU's. So...What about QFB ? - Is the Frequency Busy (in use) ? What say CW Ops - can anyone come up with a better one ? On SSB, Is the frequency is use ? - that's easy. We CW guys need something more fitting than QRL or QRZ ! Larry - K4WLS Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
