Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
On line logs are a lot like bonuses at work. The first time you receive one is a nice surprise. The next time a year later is welcome but somewhat expected. Not receiving one next year is perceived as negative, like a cut in pay. I worked in staffing. We were always careful in starting anything that we didn't expect could be sustained. Sometimes, it's best to simply do nothing. We used to wait for months to learn if we were in the log. We used to wait for months to get our ticket. Now, with the expectation of instant gratification so common, I wonder what will be next. 73, Bob W1YRC - Original Message - From: Todd Ruby To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 22:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the DX nets wherein the net control bleats out good one! My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. 73. **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
At 09:28 AM 3/18/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the DX nets wherein the net control bleats out good one! My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. Not a flame, but consider this: Sometimes a Q is good, you've clearly copied your call coming back and report, etc...and the DX station, through touch-typing on his laptop and paying attention to something else, logs a different call or enters nonsensical characters by accident - and doesn't pick up the error. Or maybe something even more basic - the log from that computer gets damaged somehow between when the Q was made and your card is presented to them for verification. We can live without online logs, but if they're available, that's a huge plus for us AND a huge plus for them (in terms of less dupes), AND a huge plus for the low power/low wire stations who have a bunch of extra chances to make *their* Q's since less big guys will be calling and duping. Regards, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... Hardly, I had a QSO with one of the recent DXpeditions where the operator originally called N4TV, I corrected them, they acknowledged the correction and the operator made an additional comment to me by name ... and that QSO is still not in the on-line log. On-line logs are helpful to avoid dupes (and panic about missing band/modes) but they are not perfect. Still, when last QSO posted is nearly 24 hours old when the log is posted, the on line log is practically useless. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:28 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the DX nets wherein the net control bleats out good one! My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. 73. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
At 10:38 AM 3/18/2008, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Still, when last QSO posted is nearly 24 hours old when the log is posted, the on line log is practically useless. Depends on the band G. My 160 QSO with 5T5DC posted overnight, but if it didn't show up until dusk tonight, no big deal :-) !! (and *wow* do they have a nice signal on 160!) Regards, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
Worked a previous Ducie Island operation and sent for qsls. Cards came and my 12M CW qso marked NIL... Manager said he found KA2DZS not BZS in the log. Wow! the op sent BZS and now I'm not in the log.. Emailed the manager and he said he would send a qsl with KA2DZS logged on it. I explained that KA2DZS was a Novice class op who's callsign expired in 1995 but to no avail.. Sure wish they had an online log, I would have tried to work 'em again on 12CW.. Sure was a pleasure to work this operation on 12CW and 10 thru 160 and RTTY and see my callsign in the log for real. Just one dit did me in the first operation Here is the best one yet.. I saw on the cluster VP6DX on 17RTTY 17.110 QSX down but had no copy on my screen at all. I did see T32YC calling CQ QSX down 1 and called him about ten times before he faded into the noise with no luck... Half hour later VP6DX is chatting with a W5 who is apparently related to the operator. After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends back KA2BZS we worked before QRZ Wow, I worked the guy and he didn't even tell me what time ;-) He must have picked me out down trying to work the T3 station. Managed to work VP6DX 2 days later after sending First qso I know of Was in the online log the next morning though... Isn't this a fun hobby??73/DX.. Ron . -- Ronald Loneker Sr. - Product Engineer - QC E.F. Britten Co. Inc. www.efbritten.com Cranford, NJ 07016 Tel. No. (908) 276-4800 Fax No. (908) 276-9153 Golf Travel Made Easy! www.travalite.com E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
Depends on the band G. My 160 QSO with 5T5DC posted overnight, but if it didn't show up until dusk tonight, no big deal :-) !! (and *wow* do they have a nice signal on 160!) Mine too, and they heard my 100W. They had such a nice signal I had no question that I got in (though a little surprise) http://n3ox.net/files/5T5DC_031808_0403Z_160m.mp3 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends back KA2BZS we worked before QRZ I know they want to discourage duping but most people who dupe are doing it because they didn't think they got in. It doesn't really take that much longer to send KA2BZS 5NN than KA2BZS B4 If we didn't have such a problem with idiot constant callers and people calling before the QRZ? this would rarely be a problem, but I've had occasional trouble with completing hard QSOs with big DXpeditions when they THINK they have you OK and they don't. I raised TX5C's attention on 160m and they had me as N3MX ... I sent my call five or six more times with them listening for me and their confirmation at the end got lost in the static crashes. I don't know if I got lost in the QRN or just in the din of the pileup that heard my de N3OX N3OX N3OX 5NN BK and started calling right then, but I lost the QSO as far as I'm concerned. I *don't* know if I lost the QSO as far as TX5C was concerned. I would have hated to work them in the clear later on in the night and just be told B4 (though I would have taken it, I got no chances at all after that ;-) ). I want the chance for a QSO I know is a QSO. I suspect most people won't be chronic dupers for the sake of boredom but maybe I'm wrong about that? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
Dan, I brought up the lag in uploading logs and that they where sending NO DUPS and QSOB4 with one of their pilots but he simply said work them again. Go figure. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth... After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends back KA2BZS we worked before QRZ I know they want to discourage duping but most people who dupe are doing it because they didn't think they got in. It doesn't really take that much longer to send KA2BZS 5NN than KA2BZS B4 If we didn't have such a problem with idiot constant callers and people calling before the QRZ? this would rarely be a problem, but I've had occasional trouble with completing hard QSOs with big DXpeditions when they THINK they have you OK and they don't. I raised TX5C's attention on 160m and they had me as N3MX ... I sent my call five or six more times with them listening for me and their confirmation at the end got lost in the static crashes. I don't know if I got lost in the QRN or just in the din of the pileup that heard my de N3OX N3OX N3OX 5NN BK and started calling right then, but I lost the QSO as far as I'm concerned. I *don't* know if I lost the QSO as far as TX5C was concerned. I would have hated to work them in the clear later on in the night and just be told B4 (though I would have taken it, I got no chances at all after that ;-) ). I want the chance for a QSO I know is a QSO. I suspect most people won't be chronic dupers for the sake of boredom but maybe I'm wrong about that? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. -- Original message -- From: Todd Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
I believe the first use of on-line logs was the Cordell DXpedition to Easter Island, XR0Y back in 1995. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/Ø, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
3Y0PI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. -- Original message -- From: Todd Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
Right you are Stu. In fact, in 1997 VK0IR from Heard Island used ham radio satellites to relay the logs to me which I put up on our website within hours of the QSOs. Back then I don't seem to recall the angst when a call wasn't found in the log, people just worked them again. Maybe we make it too easy? Don N1DG At 07:36 PM 3/18/2008, Stuart Santelmann KC1F wrote: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: VU7RG, 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: BS7H, 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ 2006 inductee into the CQ Magazine DX Hall of Fame Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] on line logs
Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5 + years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
