RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
FYI, In conversation after the Dayton DX Banquet, Kam stated he did not mean a Ham in WV..To him a Rahall constituant meant any American citizen.. in fact he said the Ham who complained was a W4 Mac, W8XF http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk &cd=19&ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Barry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'W2AGN'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Zack Widup'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess > > >> I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike >> conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a >> hit man is a little much :.) > > He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat > those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either > shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from > again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax > dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta > is obscene. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Also interesting: The Third Congressional District of West Virginia is among the poorest rural districts in the United States. Located in the southern part of the state, it is based in the state's largest city, Huntington and includes Bluefield and Beckley. >From your link: Hello DXers: Late breaking news late yesterday. If you need KP1 and/or KP5 you will be interested in the following from Garry Ritchie, W8OI. And from QRZ.COM W8OI Lookups: 6545 GARRY H RITCHIE 19 PINECREST DR HUNTINGTON WV 25705 DXCC Honor Roll (333 countries confirmed), DXCC on 8 individual bands, DXCC via CW, DXCC via SSB, DXCC via RTTY, DXCC Challenge, WAC, WAS, WAZ. Life Member ARRL. Member NCDXF, FISTS, QCWA, 1010 and others. Active on CW, Phone and Digital modes. Of course, no conclusions can be drawn from this information... 73, Barry W2UP Peter Penta wrote: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk &cd=19&ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Barry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'W2AGN'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Zack Widup'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
I know Garry personally ... I worked with him for several years in Huntington and strongly doubt that he would have done anything to cause the early end of any operation in KP5. Garry is far more likely to be in the pile-up than on the phone to a Congressman. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: Peter Penta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:45 PM > To: 'WC7N'; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' > Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org > Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess > > > http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contes > ting.com/pipermail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RI > TCHIE%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19&ie=UTF-8 > > >Interesting no doubt. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > WC7N > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM > To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' > Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess > > Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the > district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er > > Rod WC7N > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Barry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'W2AGN'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "'Zack Widup'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM > Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess > > > > > > > >> I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for > unsportsmanlike > >> conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a > >> hit man is a little much :.) > > > > He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat > > those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either > > shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from > > again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax > > dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta > > is obscene. > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > > http://njdxa.org > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk &cd=19&ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Barry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'W2AGN'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Zack Widup'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess > > >> I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike >> conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a >> hit man is a little much :.) > > He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat > those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either > shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from > again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax > dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta > is obscene. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Barry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'W2AGN'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Zack Widup'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
> I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike > conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a > hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the "Club Fed" report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
If it were found to be that the person did it deliberately (sabotage or
jealousy, etc) they should be removed from the DXCC program! Also if I knew
the person was living in my area he/she would be shunned from any activities
by me or my clubs! I would never work them again and a QSL couldn't be
issued to so a low life. The person(s) who did this did more damage to
Amateur Radio, DXCC and DXing than someone who operated illegally from a
rare one. We don't need that type of person(?) involved in AR or DX.
73
Bernie
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W2AGN
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:58
To: Zack Widup
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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Zack Widup wrote:
> Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from.
> This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the
> original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be
> terminated.
>
> Any detectives out there?
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
Just curious. Say you find who the "culprit" is. What did you all plan,
hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your
chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho?
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
W2AGN wrote: Zack Widup wrote: Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ Just curious. Say you find who the "culprit" is. What did you all plan, hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho? I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
I plan on doing nothing. (Well, maybe not bother to work him in future operations he's on ...) It would just dispel a mystery for me. 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, W2AGN wrote: > Zack Widup wrote: > > Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. > > This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the > > original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be > > terminated. > > > > Any detectives out there? > > > > 73, Zack W9SZ > > > > > Just curious. Say you find who the "culprit" is. What did you all plan, > hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your > chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho? > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
At 10:57 AM 06/29/2006, W2AGN wrote: Just curious. Say you find who the "culprit" is. What did you all plan, hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho? Well, a good Rettysnitching and a session or two with a Wouff Hong may be in order. And if all else fails, bring out the Uggerumpf! Failing those, I feel once proven that so-and-so did in fact "drop a dime" on them, his DXCC should be permanently revoked for conduct unbecoming a participant. I'd also wager he'd be getting a lot of QSL cards marked NIL thereafter. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Zack Widup wrote:
> Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from.
> This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the
> original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be
> terminated.
>
> Any detectives out there?
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
Just curious. Say you find who the "culprit" is. What did you all plan,
hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your
chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho?
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Zack Widup wrote: > Here's the link to the Club Fed report: > > http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/democrats/backgrounders/clubfedreport.pdf > > 73, Zack W9SZ > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
I look at it this way: First, if anyone really wants to do a little digging, it may be possible to learn through the congress-gonif, er, person's office who instigated the complaints against the operation. Second, and more importantly, despite the unjustified and undignified and totally political smear against Amateur Radio in general and the two KP5 ops in particular (even if they weren't named), this incident and the follow-ups is bringing to public scrutiny the manner in which the US F&WS has been "administering" Desecheo and Navassa. And isn't it, well, interesting that (as memory serves) K3LP and N3KS originally went there for job-related communications work, not just to operate, something that the congress-gonif's report didn't appear to really mention? Also, as memory serves (Bernie please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at work and don't have access to my info), didn't K3LP & N3KS get their permission to land and operate through another agency, not directly from F&WS? And yet F&WS is getting the heat. Very interesting. As they say, stay tuned for further developments, film at 11. 73, ron w3wn Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Here's the link to the Club Fed report: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/democrats/backgrounders/clubfedreport.pdf 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Scott Manthe wrote: > Charles, > Spare us the hyperbole and furnish us with facts. How did this report > come to your attention? Whose agenda does it serve? And how do you know the > nature of the evidence regarding the approval of the operation? > This report has evidently started to come to the attention of DX circles just now. Charlie's mention of it was the third one I received yesterday. I got two earlier e-mails giving me a link to the report. I was going to post it to this group myself (with no added comments) but got caught up in other things and Charlie beat me to it. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Sorry Charlie The only one who gave Amateur Radio a black eye was the idiot who was so jealous and raised so much stink! Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX <-- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX <-- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 23:35 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess The recent ham radio visit to Desecheo Island appears to have resurfaced as a messy situation now having US Congressional attention. Resources Committee Ranking Democrat U.S. Rep. Nick J. Rahall is identified with a staff report on the matter dated apparently June 20, 2006, with the title "Club Fed" If one reads this total report, one conclusion is that, regardless of the final outcomes, ham radio has received a huge black eye over this matter. This is not the kind of image we want and obviously will do our fraturnity no good in the future. As an ARRL member (Life), I suggest that the DXCC approval for this operation be immediately reexamined with the distinct possibility of reversing the previous and dubious DXCC approval (based on a tape recorded verbal statement?) and a notice be made, if found justified, that this operation does not represent the vast majority of world-wide law-abiding ham radio operators. Perhaps Desecheo I. should be permanently removed from the DXCC list to avoid future such problems. If this Congressional report is correct, the ham radio community must take swift action to condemn this kind of activity and encourage no more like it ever in the future. I realize I risk raising the ire of other radio hams by raising this issue that we likely all wish would just go away. But, it is not going away and in fact is now even more at the forefront of governmental attention. I appeal to the ham radio community to act in our defense so that other DXpeditions and all hams are not tar-ed with a nasty brush. 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
At 12:11 AM 6/29/2006, Zack Widup wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Charles Harpole wrote: I suspect this Congressional report didn't just happen. I have a speaking susnicion that the person responsible for their being removed from the island in the first place is still out there trying to make all the trouble he can. Bingo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
My reading of the "Club Fed" report is that the operators who visited Desecheo were held harmless; they sought permission from responsible officials, and received it. If working around intractable government bureaucracy were a crime, we'd still be in the stone age. As for the "incredibly persistent" ham who raised a stink, caused the operation to be terminated, and precipitated the launch of investigations by organizations who have much more important things to be doing, he or she had best hope that their name won't be released in a Freedom of Information Act inquiry. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 23:35 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess The recent ham radio visit to Desecheo Island appears to have resurfaced as a messy situation now having US Congressional attention. Resources Committee Ranking Democrat U.S. Rep. Nick J. Rahall is identified with a staff report on the matter dated apparently June 20, 2006, with the title "Club Fed" If one reads this total report, one conclusion is that, regardless of the final outcomes, ham radio has received a huge black eye over this matter. This is not the kind of image we want and obviously will do our fraturnity no good in the future. As an ARRL member (Life), I suggest that the DXCC approval for this operation be immediately reexamined with the distinct possibility of reversing the previous and dubious DXCC approval (based on a tape recorded verbal statement?) and a notice be made, if found justified, that this operation does not represent the vast majority of world-wide law-abiding ham radio operators. Perhaps Desecheo I. should be permanently removed from the DXCC list to avoid future such problems. If this Congressional report is correct, the ham radio community must take swift action to condemn this kind of activity and encourage no more like it ever in the future. I realize I risk raising the ire of other radio hams by raising this issue that we likely all wish would just go away. But, it is not going away and in fact is now even more at the forefront of governmental attention. I appeal to the ham radio community to act in our defense so that other DXpeditions and all hams are not tar-ed with a nasty brush. 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Charles, Spare us the hyperbole and furnish us with facts. How did this report come to your attention? Whose agenda does it serve? And how do you know the nature of the evidence regarding the approval of the operation? The Resources Committee ranking Democrat is as likely as not to have the opinion (or more likely be advised by someone who has this opinion) that no human being should ever have access to a wildlife sanctuary. So obviously, his report is going to be unjustifiably hard on those who've tried to gain access to the island legally rather than those, like the Haitian squatters, drug runners and pirates who utilize the island illegally. This is currently one of the major problems with the Democratic party- they'd rather ignore people who break the law and punish those who try to follow it rather than the other way around. So given your progressive politics, I understand your tender feelings toward a Democrat, but rather than this hysterical, self-flagellating post, let us know whose behind the information. Since I'm sure Rep. Nick doesn't have any idea what amateur radio is, how was he informed of this operation? I'd bet the congressman didn't call you, so who did? Was it the same person who used their influence to have the operation halted? Curious minds would like to know. 73, Scott, N9AA Charles Harpole wrote: The recent ham radio visit to Desecheo Island appears to have resurfaced as a messy situation now having US Congressional attention. Resources Committee Ranking Democrat U.S. Rep. Nick J. Rahall is identified with a staff report on the matter dated apparently June 20, 2006, with the title "Club Fed" If one reads this total report, one conclusion is that, regardless of the final outcomes, ham radio has received a huge black eye over this matter. This is not the kind of image we want and obviously will do our fraturnity no good in the future. As an ARRL member (Life), I suggest that the DXCC approval for this operation be immediately reexamined with the distinct possibility of reversing the previous and dubious DXCC approval (based on a tape recorded verbal statement?) and a notice be made, if found justified, that this operation does not represent the vast majority of world-wide law-abiding ham radio operators. Perhaps Desecheo I. should be permanently removed from the DXCC list to avoid future such problems. If this Congressional report is correct, the ham radio community must take swift action to condemn this kind of activity and encourage no more like it ever in the future. I realize I risk raising the ire of other radio hams by raising this issue that we likely all wish would just go away. But, it is not going away and in fact is now even more at the forefront of governmental attention. I appeal to the ham radio community to act in our defense so that other DXpeditions and all hams are not tar-ed with a nasty brush. 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Charles Harpole wrote: > The recent ham radio visit to Desecheo Island appears to have resurfaced as > a messy situation now having US Congressional attention. Resources > Committee Ranking Democrat U.S. Rep. Nick > J. Rahall is identified with a staff report on the matter dated apparently > June 20, 2006, with the title "Club Fed" If one reads this total > report, one conclusion is that, regardless of the final outcomes, ham radio > has received a huge black eye over this matter. This is not the kind of > image we want and obviously will do our fraturnity no good in the future. > [snip] > > If this Congressional report is correct, the ham radio community must take > swift action to condemn this kind of activity and encourage no more like it > ever in the future. > The Congressional report seems to be at variance somewhat with the program presented at the Dayton DX Forum this year. I suspect this Congressional report didn't just happen. I have a speaking susnicion that the person responsible for their being removed from the island in the first place is still out there trying to make all the trouble he can. The ops said at Dayton that even they don't know who was responsible. If they have given ham radio and DXing a black eye, this unknown whiner has done it double duty. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
