Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[Bob, N5RP]

I agree,  as well.
DX4WIN is great, as is, now that the new modes are recognized.
N5RP
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> On Dec 10, 2017, at 08:58, PY2YP  wrote:
> 
> I've also pondered a lot about this and agree with you Zoran. The DX4WIN is 
> just great as it is. It only lacks an integration with WSJT in my opinion.
> 
> 73 DX de PY2YP - Cesar
> 
>> On 20/11/2017 19:16, WA7AA wrote:
>>> On 20-Nov-17 12:27, Chris Sauvageot wrote:
>>> Bruce, give my regards to your friend at ARRL and say him he has mayne no 
>>> idea of modern data management and IT.
>>> 
>>> I think he his not involed in database operation/programming. If he want 
>>> learn a bit then he can contact Michael from Clublog and ask him how he 
>>> solve this as a private person with much less money the the rich ARRL DXCC.
>>> 
>>> As i told before, many progs doit and i never have read or seen any comment 
>>> agaist from ARRL
>> I've been reading comments like this with interest and I have to ask: what 
>> is so great about instant background LOTW uploads and downloads? I may be 
>> old school but I fail to see the big advantage of giving two pieces of 
>> software (not only on the user's end, but on the ARRL end) a complete 
>> control of overwriting my log without my knowledge, especially considering 
>> the complete failure of the TQSL and LOTW software to institute station 
>> information validity check (incorrect CQ, ITU zones, grids, IOTAs, etc).
>> I hope DX4Win never turns into another iTunes garbage interface with their 
>> "libraries", "syncing", inability to tell what file is where and auto 
>> downloads and deletes.
>> But that's just my opinion.
>> 73,
>> Zoran WA7AA
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Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[PY2YP]

I've also pondered a lot about this and agree with you Zoran. The DX4WIN 
is just great as it is. It only lacks an integration with WSJT in my 
opinion.


73 DX de PY2YP - Cesar

On 20/11/2017 19:16, WA7AA wrote:

On 20-Nov-17 12:27, Chris Sauvageot wrote:

Bruce, give my regards to your friend at ARRL and say him he has mayne 
no idea of modern data management and IT.


I think he his not involed in database operation/programming. If he 
want learn a bit then he can contact Michael from Clublog and ask him 
how he solve this as a private person with much less money the the 
rich ARRL DXCC.


As i told before, many progs doit and i never have read or seen any 
comment agaist from ARRL


I've been reading comments like this with interest and I have to ask: 
what is so great about instant background LOTW uploads and downloads? I 
may be old school but I fail to see the big advantage of giving two 
pieces of software (not only on the user's end, but on the ARRL end) a 
complete control of overwriting my log without my knowledge, especially 
considering the complete failure of the TQSL and LOTW software to 
institute station information validity check (incorrect CQ, ITU zones, 
grids, IOTAs, etc).


I hope DX4Win never turns into another iTunes garbage interface with 
their "libraries", "syncing", inability to tell what file is where and 
auto downloads and deletes.


But that's just my opinion.

73,

Zoran WA7AA
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Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[ON4AOI]

I totally agree Zoran
There will be plenty garbage uploaded 
Example 
What If I know a future expedition 
That want be mapped correct?
I fill it in save it . oeps its already uploaded before
I even can delete from my log.

Via eqsl you get sometimes 2 eqsls one for the start time and one for the
end time (: 




Guy ON4AOI  



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On 20-Nov-17 12:27, Chris Sauvageot wrote:

> Bruce, give my regards to your friend at ARRL and say him he has mayne 
> no idea of modern data management and IT.
>
> I think he his not involed in database operation/programming. If he 
> want learn a bit then he can contact Michael from Clublog and ask him 
> how he solve this as a private person with much less money the the 
> rich ARRL DXCC.
>
> As i told before, many progs doit and i never have read or seen any 
> comment agaist from ARRL

I've been reading comments like this with interest and I have to ask: 
what is so great about instant background LOTW uploads and downloads? I may
be old school but I fail to see the big advantage of giving two pieces of
software (not only on the user's end, but on the ARRL end) a complete
control of overwriting my log without my knowledge, especially considering
the complete failure of the TQSL and LOTW software to institute station
information validity check (incorrect CQ, ITU zones, grids, IOTAs, etc).

I hope DX4Win never turns into another iTunes garbage interface with their
"libraries", "syncing", inability to tell what file is where and auto
downloads and deletes.

But that's just my opinion.

73,

Zoran WA7AA
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Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

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On 20-Nov-17 12:27, Chris Sauvageot wrote:

Bruce, give my regards to your friend at ARRL and say him he has mayne 
no idea of modern data management and IT.


I think he his not involed in database operation/programming. If he 
want learn a bit then he can contact Michael from Clublog and ask him 
how he solve this as a private person with much less money the the 
rich ARRL DXCC.


As i told before, many progs doit and i never have read or seen any 
comment agaist from ARRL


I've been reading comments like this with interest and I have to ask: 
what is so great about instant background LOTW uploads and downloads? I 
may be old school but I fail to see the big advantage of giving two 
pieces of software (not only on the user's end, but on the ARRL end) a 
complete control of overwriting my log without my knowledge, especially 
considering the complete failure of the TQSL and LOTW software to 
institute station information validity check (incorrect CQ, ITU zones, 
grids, IOTAs, etc).


I hope DX4Win never turns into another iTunes garbage interface with 
their "libraries", "syncing", inability to tell what file is where and 
auto downloads and deletes.


But that's just my opinion.

73,

Zoran WA7AA
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Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[Chris Sauvageot]

Bruce, give my regards to your friend at ARRL and say him he has mayne 
no idea of modern data management and IT.


I think he his not involed in database operation/programming. If he want 
learn a bit then he can contact Michael from Clublog and ask him how he 
solve this as a private person with much less money the the rich ARRL DXCC.


As i told before, many progs doit and i never have read or seen any 
comment agaist from ARRL


73 Chris


Am 20.11.2017 um 20:47 schrieb Bruce Blackley:

Food for thought.



I spoke to a friend of mine at the ARRL about logging programs that upload
to LoTW after every contact.  He told me that he wished that they wouldn't
do that.  He said that it over worked the servers at the ARRL and kept them
very busy.  He said that he would prefer people to save up several contacts
and then upload them all at once.  Just an observation from the other side.



73



Bruce



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[kostas sv1dpi]

Just a small mistake: the zero value should be put in rstR box

73 Kostas SV1DPI

Στις 20/11/2017 22:22, ο kostas sv1dpi έγραψε:
Every QSO either you submitted it for a mode only  either for a band, 
counts for Mixed. So check Mixed in this case.


Phone, cw, rtty counts for Mode.

And if 6,10, 12,...,160 is checked counts for Band

You need to put a C if you have submitted and checked this QSO to 
ARRL. That means checked


If this QSO is just submitted and not yet Checked, you should put S.

The I (Ignore) needs only if this QSO does not count for DXCC. By the 
way if you have a QSO that does not count for any award, put a 0 in 
rstS box. Then this QSO is not valid for any award


73 Kostas SV1DPI

Στις 20/11/2017 21:32, ο John Pritt έγραψε:
Thanks for your reply Mike, much appreciated.  I have used the 
'Compare' utility that Jim made up (Thanks Jim!) and I've change 
about half of the mismatches to what I thought they should be but I 
stopped half way through because I wasn't sure which of the 3 
drop-downs (made visible by F5) I should select or change, S, C or I.


The last paragraph, number (2) of Jim's article is interesting 
though.  Unfortunately the 'Account Credits' chart it doesn't break 
down how an award was broken down for credit such as for Mixed, Band 
or Mode or all three.  That's why I was hoping I could merge the LOTW 
DXCC QSO file into DX4WIN log to make those selections for me 
automatically.


I've using DX4WIN since it was introduced, which I believe was before 
LOTW was even created, but I really didn't know how to address those 
entries.  Certainly it was laziness on my part for not taking the 
time to figure it out or asking Paul how to make those selections 
accurately.  I'll work on this though because I have retired and now 
would like DX4WIN to reflect the correct information.


Thanks again,  N1JP

On 11/20/2017 12:32 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote:

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do 
this.

Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[kostas sv1dpi]

Every QSO either you submitted it for a mode only  either for a band, 
counts for Mixed. So check Mixed in this case.


Phone, cw, rtty counts for Mode.

And if 6,10, 12,...,160 is checked counts for Band

You need to put a C if you have submitted and checked this QSO to ARRL. 
That means checked


If this QSO is just submitted and not yet Checked, you should put S.

The I (Ignore) needs only if this QSO does not count for DXCC. By the 
way if you have a QSO that does not count for any award, put a 0 in rstS 
box. Then this QSO is not valid for any award


73 Kostas SV1DPI

Στις 20/11/2017 21:32, ο John Pritt έγραψε:
Thanks for your reply Mike, much appreciated.  I have used the 
'Compare' utility that Jim made up (Thanks Jim!) and I've change about 
half of the mismatches to what I thought they should be but I stopped 
half way through because I wasn't sure which of the 3 drop-downs (made 
visible by F5) I should select or change, S, C or I.


The last paragraph, number (2) of Jim's article is interesting 
though.  Unfortunately the 'Account Credits' chart it doesn't break 
down how an award was broken down for credit such as for Mixed, Band 
or Mode or all three.  That's why I was hoping I could merge the LOTW 
DXCC QSO file into DX4WIN log to make those selections for me 
automatically.


I've using DX4WIN since it was introduced, which I believe was before 
LOTW was even created, but I really didn't know how to address those 
entries.  Certainly it was laziness on my part for not taking the time 
to figure it out or asking Paul how to make those selections 
accurately.  I'll work on this though because I have retired and now 
would like DX4WIN to reflect the correct information.


Thanks again,  N1JP

On 11/20/2017 12:32 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote:

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do 
this.

Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html



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Re: [Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[kostas sv1dpi]

ARRL servers seem to have big problems. Tell them to buy clublog 
servers. It's pitty but the difference is like day and night. It is 
unacceptable to have such problems. But this is another reflector's story...


73 Kostas SV1DPI

Στις 20/11/2017 21:47, ο Bruce Blackley έγραψε:

Food for thought.



I spoke to a friend of mine at the ARRL about logging programs that upload
to LoTW after every contact.  He told me that he wished that they wouldn't
do that.  He said that it over worked the servers at the ARRL and kept them
very busy.  He said that he would prefer people to save up several contacts
and then upload them all at once.  Just an observation from the other side.



73



Bruce



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[Dx4win] Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[Bruce Blackley]

Food for thought.



I spoke to a friend of mine at the ARRL about logging programs that upload
to LoTW after every contact.  He told me that he wished that they wouldn't
do that.  He said that it over worked the servers at the ARRL and kept them
very busy.  He said that he would prefer people to save up several contacts
and then upload them all at once.  Just an observation from the other side.



73



Bruce



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[John Pritt]

Thanks for your reply Mike, much appreciated.  I have used the 'Compare' 
utility that Jim made up (Thanks Jim!) and I've change about half of the 
mismatches to what I thought they should be but I stopped half way 
through because I wasn't sure which of the 3 drop-downs (made visible by 
F5) I should select or change, S, C or I.


The last paragraph, number (2) of Jim's article is interesting though.  
Unfortunately the 'Account Credits' chart it doesn't break down how an 
award was broken down for credit such as for Mixed, Band or Mode or all 
three.  That's why I was hoping I could merge the LOTW DXCC QSO file 
into DX4WIN log to make those selections for me automatically.


I've using DX4WIN since it was introduced, which I believe was before 
LOTW was even created, but I really didn't know how to address those 
entries.  Certainly it was laziness on my part for not taking the time 
to figure it out or asking Paul how to make those selections 
accurately.  I'll work on this though because I have retired and now 
would like DX4WIN to reflect the correct information.


Thanks again,  N1JP

On 11/20/2017 12:32 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote:

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do this.
Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[kostas sv1dpi]

I agree 1000%

73 Kostas SV1DPI

Στις 20/11/2017 20:28, ο Chris Sauvageot έγραψε:
Jim's tool is a step in right direction - but only a step (tnx Jim). 
But the question is: why not DX4WIN have not a full LotW function.


I wish DX4WIN can work like clublog or many other modern logging 
software.


They can upload to LoTW in real time - if the user like - and also 
download confirmed QSO from LoTW. Mostly with only pressing one button.


The LotW exchange function in DX4WIN is still on lowest possible level.


I like "my" DX4WIN - i am a very longtime user - but as most of us 
user have done too: we check from time to time also other logging 
software; what they have for functions ...


Better LotW functions are on top of my DX4WIN wish list ( it's close 
to xmas )



73 Chris
DL5NAM


Am 20.11.2017 um 18:32 schrieb Mike Cizek W0VTT:

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do 
this.

Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[Chris Sauvageot]

Jim's tool is a step in right direction - but only a step (tnx Jim). But 
the question is: why not DX4WIN have not a full LotW function.


I wish DX4WIN can work like clublog or many other modern logging software.

They can upload to LoTW in real time - if the user like - and also 
download confirmed QSO from LoTW. Mostly with only pressing one button.


The LotW exchange function in DX4WIN is still on lowest possible level.


I like "my" DX4WIN - i am a very longtime user - but as most of us user 
have done too: we check from time to time also other logging software; 
what they have for functions ...


Better LotW functions are on top of my DX4WIN wish list ( it's close to 
xmas )



73 Chris
DL5NAM


Am 20.11.2017 um 18:32 schrieb Mike Cizek W0VTT:

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do this.
Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html



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Re: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[Mike Cizek W0VTT]

Hello John,

It's not quite automatic, but Jim AD1C wrote a utility program to do this.
Complete instructions on his web site here:
http://dx4win.ad1c.us/lotw/index.html 

-- 
73,
Mike Cizek WØVTT

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Subject: [Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

Good afternoon all, is there a process in place that allows one to 
download the file "DXCC QSL Download' from LOTW and merge it in such a 
way to automatically update your DX4Win log, DXCC QSOs, to match that of 
LOTW?  If there is, can you provide that info in a text or indicate the 
location where I can download it from so that I can follow it step by 
step?  It would be VERY much appreciated.

Thank you,

John  N1JP

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[Dx4win] Update DX4Win from LOTW

[John Pritt]

Good afternoon all, is there a process in place that allows one to 
download the file "DXCC QSL Download' from LOTW and merge it in such a 
way to automatically update your DX4Win log, DXCC QSOs, to match that of 
LOTW?  If there is, can you provide that info in a text or indicate the 
location where I can download it from so that I can follow it step by 
step?  It would be VERY much appreciated.


Thank you,

John  N1JP

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