[e-gold-list] RE: retailing the Moon

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Ian, When he goes there and asserts his claim, Dennis is a pretty determined guy. I think his idea of selling land on the Moon in order to pay for his trips to the Moon is very clever. He also offers to put stuff on the Moon for a fee. He has some other hot business ideas but mum's the

[e-gold-list] Re: initiatory force vs. retaliatory force

2003-10-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:25 PM 10/13/2003 -0400, Hannibal Smith wrote: One can prefer to pay the 10% voluntarily, but then the disadvantage is thatsome people may cheat. You stated previously that 10% inflation (or whatever number the state planners decide is best for the general welfare) is great for economic

[e-gold-list] RE: retailing the Moon

2003-10-14 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 01:56 AM, Ian Green wrote: When he goes there and asserts his claim, then I will give more consideration to his claim, but not because of any powers of the land office. Does that office derive its powers from a government that does not exist? Right, ownership of

[e-gold-list] property on the Moon

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Robert, At least he has a claim in accordance with the Terra (Luna?) Nullis rules used to establish ownership of otherwise unclaimed and uninhabited land. I'm not familiar with this terra nullis (nullus?) convention. Maybe you could offer a citation? There are a number of interesting

[e-gold-list] How to hypnotize a man and steal his gold

2003-10-14 Thread Ragnar
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[e-gold-list] Free Luna!

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Patrick, Right, ownership of wild unclaimed territory must be based on staking a physical claim -- actually going there and setting up fences so to speak. Other than that it's just people talking. You've got to have some physical boundaries and preferably a way to enforce those

[e-gold-list] War for Southern Independence

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Steve, This limitations of taxation is what kept the U.S. federal government relatively in check prior to the Civil War. Comparatively in check, and it wasn't a very civil war. Warfare never is. It was in fact the War for Southern Independence and is officially, now, the War Between the

[e-gold-list] Moderator's Message, Please Read (was: Re: War for Southern Independence)

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Ray
Jim Davidson wrote: Dear Steve, . Folks, let's keep it to money and try to limit the discussions of politics (or at the very least, limit their length). As I've said (repeatedly...) numerous fora exist besides the e-gold list for you all to expound to your hearts' content, starting with the

[e-gold-list] Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
Dear Jim, As Beardsley Ruml pointed out in the 1940s, with the ability to issue currency, the government has no need to tax. It can print as much money as it will ever need. Therefore, in his view, the function of taxes such as the income tax and the inheritance tax, is not to fund the

[e-gold-list] Press Release: TGC to Buy Extremely Low E-Gold Number

2003-10-14 Thread Public Relations - TheGoldCasino
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[e-gold-list] unkrain exchange

2003-10-14 Thread Katz Global Media
Is there anyone on this list who can take e-gold and direct deposit funds to AVAL Bank in Kyiv, Ukrain? thank you Gordon www.katzglobal.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Robert B.Z.
Hello George, I have often wondered if it was possible to do away with inflation, all taxes, etc. and simply replace them with a flexible GST (goods and services tax). The simplified version would look like this: Every good and service is subject to a surcharge of say 5%, without exemption.

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
tax for people (not companies) is unique (no progressive taxation levels) and around 14%, and they are doing well since it was introduced. Russia's income tax on wages is a flat rate of 13%. Unique? No, the Ukarine now has copied the policy. David, as you can see in parenthesis, after

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread David Hillary
From: Robert B.Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Income tax Hello George, I have often wondered if it was possible to do away with inflation, all taxes, etc. and simply replace them with a flexible GST (goods and

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
Robert, Imagine the savings on paper work, enforcement, etc. This is probably the most important reason why Russia (and other countries) use such a simple taxation system. To avoid the multiple taxation issue, companies would be allowed to NOT add the expenses to the total income. So, no VAT

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
David, Japan has, in the last 15 years, clocked up an outstanding public debt of about 150% of a year's GDP, which is over twice that of the USA. And it made things worse, not better! New Zealand has been running a large surplus of about 3-4% GDP for the last few years but the economy keeps

[e-gold-list] Re: unkrain exchange

2003-10-14 Thread Evgeni Kunshin
Is there anyone on this list who can take e-gold and direct deposit funds to AVAL Bank in Kyiv, Ukrain? http://www.rupay.ru 2-3% -- Domain registrations 8.00 e-gold (.com .net .org .us .biz .info) http://www.yourwebpoint.com/ Cheap phone

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Robert B.Z.
Hello Helen, There are very good reasons for avoiding the cascading effects of such taxes. Like the horrible distortion and the massive vertical integration that would follow. Sorry, but could you elaborate? I'm pretty bad with the buzzwords du jour and under distortion I would understand

[e-gold-list] Re: unkrain exchange

2003-10-14 Thread Katz Global Media
perfect, do you by any chance have a site written in English? My Russian is nil. Gordon www.katzglobal.com Is there anyone on this list who can take e-gold and direct deposit funds to AVAL Bank in Kyiv, Ukrain? http://www.rupay.ru 2-3% . --- You are currently subscribed to

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
David, Interest is a distribution of income, not a source of income. Investments are not a source of income either Okay, I understand that. Taxing these would mean multiple taxation. Of course, (I already said) the taxable income must not included income that was already taxed. Property is

[e-gold-list] Re: unkrain exchange

2003-10-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 05:44 AM 10/14/2003 -0700, Katz Global Media wrote: Although its a longer route, you could transfer the e-gold into ALTA/DMT, trade it for dollars, Euros, etc. and then have it wired. steve --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread FileMatrix
Robert, Hello Helen, I think this was from another email ;) What happens if I plant trees on my land? You know, I buy the land, plant trees to start a saw mill in a decade or two. hence I will derive an income in future, but not till then. If the government confiscates my land because of

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Wayne Dawson
At 12:36 PM 10/14/03 +0300, FileMatrix wrote: Dear Jim, Well I guess I fall under the anybody else who wants to answer category. :-) ... As [somebody] point out, the average american pays 50% taxes. Do you think that a system with no inflation and with a flat 5 - 10% income tax (for everybody,

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Ian Green
In New Zealand and Australia the key leaders in both the 'conservative' and Labor parties (not necessarily the rank and file members) learnt from the economic devastation of the 1970s and 1980s that Keynes was dangerously wrong. Stimulation by government spending does not for long decrease

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Ian Green
I don't know about that. The socialists are prone to relapse. Now that *most* of the national debt has been repaid (under a 'conservative' government), I would not trust a future Labor government to reduce taxation AND spending. The previous Labor Party government had to disavow the earlier

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Steve Schear
The rallying cry of the American Colonists was No Taxation Without Representation. Its ironic that the same cry would apply today. Taxation Without Representation is the way politics in our nation are conducted. Unlike in many/most parliamentary systems, the U.S. state and federal

[e-gold-list] The new US $20s

2003-10-14 Thread James M. Ray
Any experiences with them yet? So far the marketing campaign behind them sponsored a History Channel show about the early American gold mines. I haven't yet gotten one in change, but I'm avoiding banks so it will be in the wild when I do. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as:

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Ian Green wrote: ... Unfortunately, there remains a high amount of taxation on petrol. ... Petrol taxes are closer to user fees than any other tax. The more miles you drive, the more you pay for roads. So of all the despised and dreaded taxes, petrol

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread James M. Ray (e-gold address)
Folks, please. Let's discuss money, not taxes (which, in my experience, are the closest thing to the opposite of money). JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK)

[e-gold-list] realities, or dreams?

2003-10-14 Thread Graham Kelly
Wayne, 2000 years ago, Jesus of New Testament fame, indicated that a tax of 20% should be paid to the governing rulers. In contrast, most of the G-8 countries citizens now pay/owe from between 64% to 68%, if you include direct and indirect taxes. Last year, there were 100's of non UK citizens

[e-gold-list] Re: The new US $20s

2003-10-14 Thread David Beroff
Any experiences with them yet? Not personally, but I also don't expect to for a few weeks or months. Here are some interesting, almost-real-time usage stats, from my favorite non-work site, WheresGeorge.com: http://www.wheresgeorge.com/wrapper.php3?page=denomseries The grid shows which

[e-gold-list] Re: The new US $20s

2003-10-14 Thread James M. Ray
David Beroff wrote: ... And, btw, what does this have to do with e-gold? ;-) ducking Nothing, but the charter of the list is MONEY, especially but not exclusively the electronic kind. The name is merely an artifact from the 1996-98 period, when e-gold was alone in the field, but all the

[e-gold-list] Re: The new US $20s

2003-10-14 Thread David Beroff
... the charter of the list is MONEY ... Fair enough :-) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping

[e-gold-list] Re: WHY WORK?

2003-10-14 Thread Katz Global Media
Hi, this has been one of my favorite sites for many years. it has been around a long time and I found it by trying to find a great article written by Bob Black that i read maybe 10-12 years ago, called The Abolition of Work http://whywork.org/rethinking/whywork/abolition.html? which first line

[e-gold-list] Re: unkrain exchange

2003-10-14 Thread Norman John
NOw that made me laugh!nearly spilled my coffee. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping

[e-gold-list] Re: Press Release: TGC to Buy Extremely Low E-Gold Number

2003-10-14 Thread Norman John
How about 164203 ? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear George, I think that is true, but only if there *is* inflation. So, when Danny said 10% inflation, I believe he was thinking about it in a system where there is no income tax (he said he prefers such a system). Naturally, I don't prefer such a system. I think the idea of preferring one type

[e-gold-list] no taxes

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
George: I guess if there would be no US government (no tax = no administration) you would take a shotgun and shoot cubans if they would try to invade USA, right? ;) I would not shoot all Cubans who seek to enter the USA, since a great many Cubans do so peacefully, wishing only to escape the

[e-gold-list] fuel taxes

2003-10-14 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Patrick, Petrol taxes are closer to user fees than any other tax. The more miles you drive, the more you pay for roads. So of all the despised and dreaded taxes, petrol taxes are my favorite. Well, as long as you properly classify them as despicable and dreaded, let's talk about them. Fuel

[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax

2003-10-14 Thread Khurram Khan
There is usually a lot of bashing of taxes on this list but no one is able to suggest a viable alternative. It is silly to argue that government is NOT a necessary to evil because we need some services to be public. Let's take roads for example. If it is not done through the government,