Dear Ian,
When he goes there and asserts his claim,
Dennis is a pretty determined guy. I think his idea of
selling land on the Moon in order to pay for his trips
to the Moon is very clever. He also offers to put stuff
on the Moon for a fee. He has some other hot business
ideas but mum's the
At 07:25 PM 10/13/2003 -0400, Hannibal Smith wrote:
One can prefer to pay the 10% voluntarily, but then the disadvantage is
thatsome people may cheat.
You stated previously that 10% inflation (or whatever number the state
planners decide is best for the general welfare) is great for economic
On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 01:56 AM, Ian Green wrote:
When he goes there and asserts his claim, then I will give more
consideration to his claim, but not because of any powers of the land
office. Does that office derive its powers from a government that does
not exist?
Right, ownership of
Dear Robert,
At least he has a claim in accordance with the Terra
(Luna?) Nullis rules used to establish ownership of
otherwise unclaimed and uninhabited land.
I'm not familiar with this terra nullis (nullus?)
convention. Maybe you could offer a citation?
There are a number of interesting
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Dear Patrick,
Right, ownership of wild unclaimed territory must be based on
staking a physical claim -- actually going there and setting
up fences so to speak. Other than that it's just people talking.
You've got to have some physical boundaries and preferably a
way to enforce those
Dear Steve,
This limitations of taxation is what kept the U.S. federal
government relatively in check prior to the Civil War.
Comparatively in check, and it wasn't a very civil war.
Warfare never is. It was in fact the War for Southern
Independence and is officially, now, the War Between
the
Jim Davidson wrote:
Dear Steve,
.
Folks, let's keep it to money and try to limit the discussions of
politics (or at the very least, limit their length). As I've said
(repeatedly...) numerous fora exist besides the e-gold list for
you all to expound to your hearts' content, starting with the
Dear Jim,
As Beardsley Ruml pointed out in the 1940s, with the ability to
issue currency, the government has no need to tax. It can print
as much money as it will ever need. Therefore, in his view, the
function of taxes such as the income tax and the inheritance tax,
is not to fund the
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Hello George,
I have often wondered if it was possible to do away with inflation, all
taxes, etc. and simply replace them with a flexible GST (goods and
services tax).
The simplified version would look like this:
Every good and service is subject to a surcharge of say 5%, without
exemption.
tax for people (not companies) is unique (no progressive taxation levels)
and around 14%, and they are doing well since it was introduced.
Russia's income tax on wages is a flat rate of 13%. Unique? No, the
Ukarine
now has copied the policy.
David, as you can see in parenthesis, after
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Hello George,
I have often wondered if it was possible to do away with inflation, all
taxes, etc. and simply replace them with a flexible GST (goods and
Robert,
Imagine the savings on paper work, enforcement, etc.
This is probably the most important reason why Russia (and other countries)
use such a simple taxation system.
To avoid the multiple taxation issue, companies would be allowed to NOT add
the expenses to the total income. So, no VAT
David,
Japan has, in the last 15 years, clocked up an outstanding public debt of
about 150% of a year's GDP, which is over twice that of the USA. And it made
things worse, not better! New Zealand has been running a large surplus of
about 3-4% GDP for the last few years but the economy keeps
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Hello Helen,
There are very good reasons for avoiding the cascading effects of such
taxes. Like the horrible distortion and the massive vertical integration
that would follow.
Sorry, but could you elaborate? I'm pretty bad with the buzzwords du jour
and under distortion I would understand
perfect, do you by any chance have a site written in English? My Russian is
nil.
Gordon
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David,
Interest is a distribution of income, not a source of income.
Investments are not a source of income either
Okay, I understand that. Taxing these would mean multiple taxation. Of
course, (I already said) the taxable income must not included income that
was already taxed.
Property is
At 05:44 AM 10/14/2003 -0700, Katz Global Media wrote:
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trade it for dollars, Euros, etc. and then have it wired.
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Hello Helen,
I think this was from another email ;)
What happens if I plant trees on my land? You know, I buy the land, plant
trees to start a saw mill in a decade or two. hence I will derive an
income in future, but not till then. If the government confiscates my land
because of
At 12:36 PM 10/14/03 +0300, FileMatrix wrote:
Dear Jim,
Well I guess I fall under the anybody else who wants to answer category. :-)
...
As [somebody] point out, the average american pays 50% taxes. Do you think
that a
system with no inflation and with a flat 5 - 10% income tax (for everybody,
In New Zealand and Australia the key leaders in both the 'conservative'
and Labor parties (not necessarily the rank and file members) learnt
from the economic devastation of the 1970s and 1980s that Keynes was
dangerously wrong. Stimulation by government spending does not for long
decrease
I don't know about that. The socialists are prone to relapse. Now that
*most* of the national debt has been repaid (under a 'conservative'
government), I would not trust a future Labor government to reduce
taxation AND spending. The previous Labor Party government had to
disavow the earlier
The rallying cry of the American Colonists was No Taxation Without
Representation. Its ironic that the same cry would apply today. Taxation
Without Representation is the way politics in our nation are conducted.
Unlike in many/most parliamentary systems, the U.S. state and federal
Any experiences with them yet? So far the marketing
campaign behind them sponsored a History Channel
show about the early American gold mines. I haven't
yet gotten one in change, but I'm avoiding banks so it
will be in the wild when I do.
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On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Ian Green wrote:
... Unfortunately, there
remains a high amount of taxation on petrol. ...
Petrol taxes are closer to user fees than any other tax. The more
miles you drive, the more you pay for roads. So of all the despised
and dreaded taxes, petrol
Folks, please. Let's discuss money, not taxes (which,
in my experience, are the closest thing to the opposite
of money).
JMR
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Wayne,
2000 years ago, Jesus of New Testament fame, indicated that a tax of 20%
should be paid to the governing rulers. In contrast, most of the G-8
countries citizens now pay/owe from between 64% to 68%, if you include
direct and indirect taxes. Last year, there were 100's of non UK citizens
Any experiences with them yet?
Not personally, but I also don't expect to for a few weeks or months.
Here are some interesting, almost-real-time usage stats, from my
favorite non-work site, WheresGeorge.com:
http://www.wheresgeorge.com/wrapper.php3?page=denomseries
The grid shows which
David Beroff wrote:
...
And, btw, what does this have to do with e-gold? ;-) ducking
Nothing, but the charter of the list is MONEY, especially but
not exclusively the electronic kind. The name is merely an
artifact from the 1996-98 period, when e-gold was alone in
the field, but all the
... the charter of the list is MONEY ...
Fair enough :-)
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Hi,
this has been one of my favorite sites for many years. it has been around a
long time and I found it by trying to find a great article written by Bob
Black that i read maybe 10-12 years ago, called The Abolition of Work
http://whywork.org/rethinking/whywork/abolition.html? which first line
NOw that made me laugh!nearly spilled my coffee.
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Dear George,
I think that is true, but only if there *is* inflation. So,
when Danny said 10% inflation, I believe he was thinking
about it in a system where there is no income tax (he said
he prefers such a system).
Naturally, I don't prefer such a system. I think the idea
of preferring one type
George:
I guess if there would be no US government (no tax = no
administration) you would take a shotgun and shoot cubans
if they would try to invade USA, right? ;)
I would not shoot all Cubans who seek to enter the USA,
since a great many Cubans do so peacefully, wishing only
to escape the
Dear Patrick,
Petrol taxes are closer to user fees than any other tax.
The more miles you drive, the more you pay for roads. So
of all the despised and dreaded taxes, petrol taxes are
my favorite.
Well, as long as you properly classify them as despicable
and dreaded, let's talk about them. Fuel
There is usually a lot of bashing of taxes on this list but no one is
able to suggest a viable alternative.
It is silly to argue that government is NOT a necessary to evil because
we need some services to be public. Let's take roads for example. If
it is not done through the government,
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