Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-11 Thread Amartya Saha
humans outside their genetic clan?" "Why are > we here?" > > Warren W. Aney > Senior Wildlife Ecologist > Tigard, OR 97223 > > -Original Message- > From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news > [mai

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-11 Thread Richard
othesis creation and > > what is > > > done with this so-called "truth" afterwards. > > > First, proofing these hypothesises can only be done by > > science. If you > > > can propose any religious methodology for proofin

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-11 Thread Christian Vincenot
this is thanks to Cartesian reasoning. > > > > I am sure that you will understand that nothing in my post was > meant to > > offend you personally. > > > > Sincerely, > > Christian Vincenot > > > > >

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-10 Thread Carolyn Rhodes
Sarah, I think you can readily attribute the subjugation of women in those countries to the Abrahamic religions that dominate their cultures. It is not necessarily a question of fundamentalism on the part of the populace as it may the fundamentalism of the regime or those who influence those regime

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-10 Thread Merran
sfying answer to > these > > > problems. Actually, it has never done so. You mention about the > > origin > > > of life... if we were still believing the Catholic church, we would > > > still be thinking that life was created by an omnipotent omnis

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-10 Thread Richard
umans altruistic to other humans outside >> > their >> > > > genetic clan?" "Why are we here?" >> > > The problems are the methodology for hypothesis creation and what >> is >> > > done with this so-called "trut

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-10 Thread Richard
; You make some good points, Christian, deserving a better response > > than I'm > > > going to provide right now at 11 p.m. > > > First, the basic problem is not so much overpopulation as it is > > > overconsumption. According to one source

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Christian Vincenot
cal and > biological > > evolution in my church's youth and adult education programs. The > myths and > > metaphors of our religious heritage (what you call "lies") frequently > > parallel current science. And they try to answer questions

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Christian Vincenot
olerate birth control and other limits on procreation. >> Third, I can teach (and have taught) cosmological, geological and biological >> evolution in my church's youth and adult education programs. The myths and >> metaphors of our religious heritage (what you call "l

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Chad Brassil
In light of the discussion on the phrase "be fruitful and multiple", you may enjoy this cartoon. http://lemna.unl.edu/bizaroo-human-population-growth.jpg Chad Brassil Assistant Professor School of Biological Sciences http://www.unl.edu/cbrassil cbrass...@unl.edu 402-419-0076 416 Manter Hall Univ

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Rout, Marnie
, e.g., "Why is there something instead of nothing?" > "Why is there life?" "Why is their human intelligence and cognition?" "Why > are humans altruistic to other humans outside their genetic clan?" "Why are > we here?" > > Warren W. Aney

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Christian Vincenot
e?" "Why is their human intelligence and cognition?" "Why > are humans altruistic to other humans outside their genetic clan?" "Why are > we here?" > > Warren W. Aney > Senior Wildlife Ecologist > Tigard, OR 97223 > > -Original Messa

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-09 Thread Warren W. Aney
ews [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Christian Vincenot Sent: Thursday, 08 December, 2011 18:56 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon > Why is this forum arguing about the influence of Judaic religions on > popul

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Christian Vincenot
> Why is this forum arguing about the influence of Judaic religions on > population growth? I believe that Nathan answered this question in the very first post. Simply because there is indeed an obvious dogma coming with these religions (and a few other ones) that forbids abortion and/or promotes u

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Madhusudan Katti
l Society of America: grants, jobs, news > [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva Johansson > Sent: 8. december 2011 09:38 > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon > > This site has elegant illustrati

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Peter Søgaard Jørgensen
on, Peter PhD-student University of Copenhagen -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva Johansson Sent: 8. december 2011 09:38 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and th

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Eva Johansson
This site has elegant illustrations of Sarah's point: http://www.gapminder.org/ On 08/12/11 7:26 AM, Sarah Fann wrote: Why is this forum arguing about the influence of Judaic religions on population growth? If the population growth of the earth is going to be impacted it won't be by coaxing p

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Nathan Brouwer
Discussions — involving religion or otherwise -- on overpopulation typically focus on the need for people to have fewer children. This is probably the most expedient route but unfortunately very distasteful to religious people and people in traditional cultures. As a Peace Corps volunteer in a

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Sarah Fann
Why is this forum arguing about the influence of Judaic religions on population growth? If the population growth of the earth is going to be impacted it won't be by coaxing popular religions like Catholicism and Christianity to be less"fruitful". Despite the predominance of these religions in coun

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-08 Thread Todd P. Sigley
LOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Brouwer > Sent: Wednesday, 07 December, 2011 00:53 > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Subject: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon > > As pointed out, many conservative Christians believe the mandate in Genesis > to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-07 Thread Warren W. Aney
U] On Behalf Of Nathan Brouwer Sent: Wednesday, 07 December, 2011 00:53 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon As pointed out, many conservative Christians believe the mandate in Genesis to "be fruitful and increase in number" is a

[ECOLOG-L] overpopulation and the abuse of facts by religon

2011-12-07 Thread Nathan Brouwer
As pointed out, many conservative Christians believe the mandate in Genesis to "be fruitful and increase in number" is a directive to produce as many children as possible. Whenever I have heard this argument put forward, there is usually a science-sounding adjunct like, "and you know, the whole