Here's a blog post that analyzes whether inter-library loan is an adequate
solution.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/christinaslisrant/2012/01/11/access-to-the-literature-does-interlibrary-loan-solve-our-problems/
Jane Shevtsov
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:11 PM, mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
Jane
Gavin Simpson gavin.simp...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2012-01-09 at 08:51 -0600, David L. McNeely wrote:
Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
published in the December 2011 issue of Ecology. How is that
On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 09:32 -0600, David L. McNeely wrote:
Gavin Simpson gavin.simp...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2012-01-09 at 08:51 -0600, David L. McNeely wrote:
Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:32 AM, David L. McNeely mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
The money that ESA and other scholarly organizations charge for
electronic copies of their reports goes to support the organization. The
organization makes possible the publication and decimination of new
knowledge.
: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Jane Shevtsov
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:27 PM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] ESA Position on Open Access
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:32 AM, David L. McNeely mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
The money
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
H. Jane, perhaps you might include sorts of institutions other than
universities, such as government agencies, industrial organizations (why
should Exon Mobil get a free ride?), NGOs?
Sure. Maybe any entity that downloads more than
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
published in the December 2011 issue of Ecology. How is that reasonable?
And I'm no business maven, but isn't that far past the optimal price point
in terms of revenue generation? I could see paying $2 or $3 for an article
if
Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
published in the December 2011 issue of Ecology. How is that reasonable?
And I'm no business maven, but isn't that far past the optimal price point
in terms of revenue
Jordan Mayor clavul...@gmail.com wrote:
Just email the author for a digital reprint.
If (s)he has them. Authors may have to pay for these with some publishers, and
depending on circumstances, may or may not get them. For older papers they may
not exist. authors contact addresses may
Dear David,
You make some very interesting points.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:51 AM, mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
Is it really so difficult to get a paper? I have never been unable to
get a paper I wanted or needed, and I have never paid the high prices that
publishers demand for instant access
Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com wrote:
I do know that such
services as BioOne have greatly improved the bottom lines of some scholarly
organizations, which in the long run makes papers more available, not less.
Having more papers in existence is not the same as improving the
David, you're correct that many libraries have subscriptions to various
journals, and are capable of getting an article via interlibrary loan.
However, this is simply a case of passing the buck. Do you think
publishers give free access to libraries and universities?
They do not. The
To be fair, ESA's profit margin is much smaller than that of commercial
publishers. But I wonder how much of that money comes from people paying
outrageous sums for individual articles. Not much, I'll bet.
There would seem to be a simple technical solution. Just as IP addresses
are currently used
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, mcnee...@cox.net wrote:
You can get the same paper from different sources. You can subscribe to
the journal in print or online. You can go to a library that subscribes to
the journal. You can request a reprint from the author (who may have had
to pay for it
) face?
WT
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From: Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] ESA Position on Open Access
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
published
Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com wrote:
To be fair, ESA's profit margin is much smaller than that of commercial
publishers. But I wonder how much of that money comes from people paying
outrageous sums for individual articles. Not much, I'll bet.
There would seem to be a simple
Shevtsov jane@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] ESA Position on Open Access
I just checked, and ESA charges nonsubscribers $20 for a single article
published in the December 2011 issue of Ecology. How is that reasonable
Here's an additional opinion on the matter, and it is rather less
charitable:
http://phylogenomics.blogspot.com/2012/01/yhgtbfkm-ecological-society-of-america.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheTreeOfLife+%28The+Tree+of+Life%29
Jane, thanks for your post.
The ESA's position, as an academic publisher, is predictable. The academic
publishing world is rapidly changing. Publishers (of many kinds) are seeing
the near future in which they are no longer sole gatekeepers of content, or
process.
I'd like to comment on a
. kim.landsber...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] ESA Position on Open Access - and - scientific
communication to the public
Jane, thanks for your post.
The ESA's position, as an academic publisher, is predictable. The academic
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