Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread malcolm McCallum
I have often wondered if the general trend of allowing a 2.0 gpa for a biology major is appropriate. Essentially, if you GPA drops to far below a 2.5 you are essentially dead in the water. you will not get in a grad school today, nor will you get hired. I would like to see universities send a me

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread David L. McNeely
Jane, I believe there are some institutions where one can earn an undergraduate degree in biology with only college algebra, and some of those even still offer and require trigonometry, both of which have been subsumed at most post secondary institutions that offer them into a "precalculus" cour

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread David L. McNeely
Mike, of course we find (or found, I am retired from teaching) many of those enrolled to be lacking in math training and skills. So do the chemistry, physics, and engineering faculty. Math proficiency may be the one skill that high school graduates are most lacking in. Many students do come t

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread Jane Shevtsov
It's interesting that Kim is from Canada and Robert is from the UK, while David is from the US. I'm also from the US and I've never heard of a biology program that didn't require at least one term of calculus, although I've heard of such things having existed in the past. (BTW, I think linear algeb

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread J. Michael Nolan
Won't comment on the E.O. Wilson part of this interesting thread. As a former High School Teacher, Math was not required for any of our Biology courses. That included the upper level Junior and Senior classes. I tried to change this, am not it was that successful. Am not speaking for all High Sc

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread Kim Cuddington
Extremely limited or even no math requirements may be a more common feature of biology programs than you realize. For example, up until recently, my program required only a stats course. It is my understanding that this is an increasingly common approach for biology programs. Partially as a re

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-11 Thread David L. McNeely
Robert Gilman wrote: > . At many US and UK universities, a student can obtain a BS in biology > without taking a single course in mathematics or statistics. In some cases, a > student can obtain a PhD in biology with no more than a basic high school > math background. > What schools are

Re: [ECOLOG-L] A response to EO Wislon's opinion about math

2013-04-10 Thread Robert Gilman
I agree with Wilson – but only in part. We should not discourage students from entering science simply because they have poor mathematical backgrounds. Some people have succeeded in science without strong math skills. Many more have acquired mathematical skills because they have had scientifica