Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Hello All I agree completely with Wayne PS...that is why is time for researchers to invest in science communication and have their own production :) There are more and more researchers investing in learning video skills and use them to spread their work. Regards Nuno On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ok, what's your plan? WT PS: My wife got conned by a production company doing work for the Discovery Channel several years ago, thinking they were doing legitimate scientific journalism, and I got conned into shooting some video for them (for which I never got a cent). Never since and never again. That's our contribution--saying no to the production companies' requests for interviews and footage. Y'all may have noticed how they (used to) start off with some legitimate scientists sincerely believing that they were serving legitimate science education, but ended up being cut into a pseudoscience film. Some have repeated the error and some have refused to touch any kind of educational filmmaking, as the scientist has no control over the final outcome. How many people on this list have gotten taken by these smooth-talking production companies and have consented to be interviewed for what turned out to be something that they would never have consented to be a part of, had they known what the outcome would be in advance? - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). Look, these folks are posing as researchers, sucking up soft money (yes, they are) to do this stuff, getting publicity on such channels as Discovery. Now, when a bunch of yahoo charlatans start doing this sort of thing it degrades science by confusing the public about what is and is not science, who is and is not doing science, and what is and is not credible evidence. When you degrade science in this manner it also interferes with all aspects of society because now logic is overcome with nonsense and the more nonsense is promoted as logic, the more people who ultimately start to think in illogical ways leading to poor decisions in all aspects of life, including politics and cast votes. When illogical paths are taken in choosing candidates and casting votes, we end up with poor candidates who approve non-science and anti-science bills. THese little things do matter. They are a virus, a plague on society that is every bit as damaging to its inner workings as political corruption. They must be stomped out and scientists should come out in force and do so by very clearly, adamantly, directly and bluntly discounting their claims as junk (not junk science) and charlatanism. Malcolm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Malcolm and Ecolog, Ignore them? (They want publicity.) When I was in the Forest Service in Northern California in the late fifties and early sixties (I've forgotten just when all the bigfoot hoopla at the Hoopa Reservation took place), my boss said the knew the guy who discovered the prints, and he said he was just the kind of nutcase that would come up with that kind of thing. Maybe the Texans are frustrated snipe-hunters? WT - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=khHSX3ZYaKIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Presence of rare mammals can and is being verified through DNA analysis of hair or scat samples. The sasquatchers cannot be taken seriously until they do this in a replicable and independently verifiable manner. Warren W. Aney Senior Wildlife Ecologist Tigard, Oregon (503) 539-1009 -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of malcolm McCallum Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 18:12 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
But, but, but… they claim to have done exactly that, no? In this exclusive paper in the new journal De Novo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/02/bigfoot-genome-paper-conclusively-proves-that-sasquatch-is-real/ (ok, gag me now) Madhu On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net wrote: Presence of rare mammals can and is being verified through DNA analysis of hair or scat samples. The sasquatchers cannot be taken seriously until they do this in a replicable and independently verifiable manner. Warren W. Aney Senior Wildlife Ecologist Tigard, Oregon (503) 539-1009 -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of malcolm McCallum Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 18:12 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Look, these folks are posing as researchers, sucking up soft money (yes, they are) to do this stuff, getting publicity on such channels as Discovery. Now, when a bunch of yahoo charlatans start doing this sort of thing it degrades science by confusing the public about what is and is not science, who is and is not doing science, and what is and is not credible evidence. When you degrade science in this manner it also interferes with all aspects of society because now logic is overcome with nonsense and the more nonsense is promoted as logic, the more people who ultimately start to think in illogical ways leading to poor decisions in all aspects of life, including politics and cast votes. When illogical paths are taken in choosing candidates and casting votes, we end up with poor candidates who approve non-science and anti-science bills. THese little things do matter. They are a virus, a plague on society that is every bit as damaging to its inner workings as political corruption. They must be stomped out and scientists should come out in force and do so by very clearly, adamantly, directly and bluntly discounting their claims as junk (not junk science) and charlatanism. Malcolm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Malcolm and Ecolog, Ignore them? (They want publicity.) When I was in the Forest Service in Northern California in the late fifties and early sixties (I've forgotten just when all the bigfoot hoopla at the Hoopa Reservation took place), my boss said the knew the guy who discovered the prints, and he said he was just the kind of nutcase that would come up with that kind of thing. Maybe the Texans are frustrated snipe-hunters? WT - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5605 - Release Date: 02/15/13 -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Latest and most unexpected twist in this saga is the soon to be released story from the UK of the finding of Sasquatch DNA in Tesco's Lasagna BologneseŠ Sorry, couldn't resist... William J. Resetarits, Jr Professor Department of Biological Sciences Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-3131 Phone: (806) 742-2710, ext.300 Fax (806) 742-2963 On 2/16/13 9:24 AM, Madhusudan Katti mka...@mail.fresnostate.edu wrote: But, but, butŠ they claim to have done exactly that, no? In this exclusive paper in the new journal De Novo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/02/bigfoot-genome-paper-conclusively-p roves-that-sasquatch-is-real/ (ok, gag me now) Madhu On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net wrote: Presence of rare mammals can and is being verified through DNA analysis of hair or scat samples. The sasquatchers cannot be taken seriously until they do this in a replicable and independently verifiable manner. Warren W. Aney Senior Wildlife Ecologist Tigard, Oregon (503) 539-1009 -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of malcolm McCallum Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 18:12 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Ok, what's your plan? WT PS: My wife got conned by a production company doing work for the Discovery Channel several years ago, thinking they were doing legitimate scientific journalism, and I got conned into shooting some video for them (for which I never got a cent). Never since and never again. That's our contribution--saying no to the production companies' requests for interviews and footage. Y'all may have noticed how they (used to) start off with some legitimate scientists sincerely believing that they were serving legitimate science education, but ended up being cut into a pseudoscience film. Some have repeated the error and some have refused to touch any kind of educational filmmaking, as the scientist has no control over the final outcome. How many people on this list have gotten taken by these smooth-talking production companies and have consented to be interviewed for what turned out to be something that they would never have consented to be a part of, had they known what the outcome would be in advance? - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). Look, these folks are posing as researchers, sucking up soft money (yes, they are) to do this stuff, getting publicity on such channels as Discovery. Now, when a bunch of yahoo charlatans start doing this sort of thing it degrades science by confusing the public about what is and is not science, who is and is not doing science, and what is and is not credible evidence. When you degrade science in this manner it also interferes with all aspects of society because now logic is overcome with nonsense and the more nonsense is promoted as logic, the more people who ultimately start to think in illogical ways leading to poor decisions in all aspects of life, including politics and cast votes. When illogical paths are taken in choosing candidates and casting votes, we end up with poor candidates who approve non-science and anti-science bills. THese little things do matter. They are a virus, a plague on society that is every bit as damaging to its inner workings as political corruption. They must be stomped out and scientists should come out in force and do so by very clearly, adamantly, directly and bluntly discounting their claims as junk (not junk science) and charlatanism. Malcolm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Malcolm and Ecolog, Ignore them? (They want publicity.) When I was in the Forest Service in Northern California in the late fifties and early sixties (I've forgotten just when all the bigfoot hoopla at the Hoopa Reservation took place), my boss said the knew the guy who discovered the prints, and he said he was just the kind of nutcase that would come up with that kind of thing. Maybe the Texans are frustrated snipe-hunters? WT - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5605 - Release Date: 02/15/13 -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry
[ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
