Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-17 Thread Barry Margarita Nichols
kathryn marsh wrote: Can I reinforce Jeff's warning that animals of any kind are a huge commitment. The world often seems out to get them and they need you there to take the responsibility all the time. Though the Findhorn people would say that veggies do too. Take it slowly and carefully and

Disaster Recovery, was Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-17 Thread Terry J. Klokeid
kathryn marsh wrote: Can I reinforce Jeff's warning that animals of any kind are a huge commitment. ... they need you there to take the responsibility all the time. In the preocess of developing an emergency preparedness plan for our neighbourhood, my wife and I tried to take the high level

Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-16 Thread kathryn marsh
Jeff wrote On the other hand, i think running a grazing animal through orchards is a great disease and pest control. Geese work very well for this - don't keep them myself because husband had bad experiences with them as a small child but friends have had good experiences. Chicken tractors

Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-13 Thread Jeff Owens
My question is, why avoid goats? Is there something about them not conducive to permaculture? Kathryn's comments about goats match my experiences. Hopefully you won't let permaculture boundaries be the only basis for decisions. If you have a high interest in goats it may be possible to find a

Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-13 Thread Barry Margarita Nichols
kathryn marsh wrote: Personally, having kept goats and being extremely fond of them I would never include them in a permaculture system. I have never found a way of controlling all the goats all the time and their favourite food is fruit trees of every kind and condition. So we no longer

Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-13 Thread Barry Margarita Nichols
Jeff Owens wrote: Goats make good fence testers and older male goats can be dangerous. Have any experience with them and say bamboo (potentially used for fencing)? Neighbors dogs and goats don't mix very well and is a serious problem. Actually I will have a dog or two. How about

Re: [ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-12 Thread kathryn marsh
Personally, having kept goats and being extremely fond of them I would never include them in a permaculture system. I have never found a way of controlling all the goats all the time and their favourite food is fruit trees of every kind and condition. So we no longer have goats. I think a few

[ecopath] goats? why not?

1999-10-11 Thread Barry Margarita Nichols
At: http://www.permaearth.org/writings.html in "Constructing the Forest Orchard" by Larry Santoyo, he writes: "Animals are essential to any forest system ­ especially constructed food forests with an abundance of fruit. Animals need not be harvested for food but must be included in any