Re: Problem on the probability of death

2001-01-17 Thread Richard A. Beldin
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --6868FFBD26298125D6F02FAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A common approach is to change the focus from the inevitable fact of death to the duration of life within the treatment and control

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread Bob Wheeler
I've heard this before -- probably read it in stat books. It isn't true. Galton worried over the problem until he understood the statistical mechanism. He even designed a device (the Quincunx) to demonstrate how it works. Steve Stigler has a section on it in his new book. Thus Galton found

Re: Effect statistics for non-normality

2001-01-17 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
At 10:41 AM -0400 16/1/01, Robert J. MacG. Dawson wrote: There are those who would omit the word "small" from this; myself, I am prepared to use a large data set as evidence of its own approximate normality, largely because when the data set is large, "approximate normality" may

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread dennis roberts
here is an example to ponder ... let's say that you are an instructor in a course and have decided to administer a 100 point final exam ... the very first day of class ... and then some alternate form of that 100 item test the very last day of class ... in general, to see what people "gain"

Re: Problem on the probability of death

2001-01-17 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 16 Jan 2001 17:38:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Strauss) wrote: I have what seems to be a straightforward question involving a conditional probability, but I must be missing something because I can't quite get a handle on it. Let's say I have treatment and control groups with

Re: Effect statistics for non-normality

2001-01-17 Thread Alex Yu
You see, you are using a qualitative estimate of non-normality (box plot)! I want a rule based on a quantitative estimate. I may disagree to the above notion. Yes, data visualization such as using boxplots, histograms, and Q-Q plots involves subjective judgment and does not have a strict

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread Elliot Cramer
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Wheeler wrote: I've heard this before -- probably read it in stat books. It isn't true. Galton worried over the problem until he understood the statistical mechanism. you may abe right; that's why I said apparrently

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread Elliot Cramer
J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would this not : be the same as the offspring of either the very tall or the very short : among us moving toward an arithmetic average? Is it inconceivable : that a pair of dullards could produce a Beethoven or a Fermi for : example? Frankly, I believe old

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread dennis roberts
here are some of the actual reported galton data ... scatterplots between fathers' and sons' heights ... interesting tidbit about these data ... clearly, some fathers sired not only sons ... but also daughters ... S ... for the case of daughters ... the value that was imputed was a

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread dennis roberts
At 12:56 PM 1/17/01 -0400, Robert J. MacG. Dawson wrote: The testing example is not a stationary process, well, does this mean that NO testing example when there is a less than perfect r between the two sets of "test" measures ... would qualify for being a context in which to

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Paul R Swank forwarded Dennis' scattterplot: - * post - * * - * - 2 * 80+ * 2 * - 2 * * * - * * * - * * - * * 60+ - * * - * * * - - * 40+ * - - +-+-+-+-+-+--pre 10.0 15.0 20.0 25.0 30.0 35.0 Aha! So

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-17 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:14:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Williams) concluded: Maybe, I am missing something, but think the original question and response items are quite clear and concise. I see nothing particularly "loose" about it. The essentials of a class interval used in frequency

Re: Raschmodelling

2001-01-17 Thread dennis roberts
assessment systems has a good array of test analysis software http://www.assess.com/softmenu.html At 10:17 PM 1/17/01 +0100, Sky wrote: Maybe they have something for you here: http://www.gamma.rug.nl They have a couple of programs on Rasch modelling and some other Item Respons Theory programs.

Re: regression to the mean

2001-01-17 Thread Paul R Swank
divide at the midpoint of the pretest to form two equal size groups. At 01:37 PM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:28 PM 1/17/01 -0600, Paul R Swank wrote: >>But if you group the subjects on the basis of their pretest scores, the >>lowest group gains 23.1 points while the highest group only gains

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-17 Thread dennis roberts
At 03:57 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Rich Ulrich wrote: - Okay, here is my answer before I repeat the official ones. The "greatest possible difference" is *at least* one foot. If this is a dedicated math question, the aspect of roundoff should give "one foot (minimum)"; and any slightest introduction

Re: Raschmodelling

2001-01-17 Thread Paul R Swank
It is also possible to simulate rasch modeling using a mixed models approach with a binomial distribution and logit link function. At 10:17 PM 1/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Maybe they have something for you here: http://www.gamma.rug.nl >They have a couple of programs on Rasch modelling and some

Re: (G)ARCH models and MS Excel

2001-01-17 Thread squid
These websites sells an addin that generates ARCH models in excel: http://www.numa.com/bookshop/books/7201.htm http://www.moneyextra.com/bookclub/books/7201.htm This looks like someones college project, that he used ARCH models you can download his excel file here:

Re: goodness of fit for mixture of multinomials

2001-01-17 Thread John Uebersax
Gimenez Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... we have three samples arising from three multinomials with the same number of cells. This can be represented as a table: n11 n12 ... n1k (1) n21 n22 ... n2k (2) n31 n32 ... n3k (3) We would like to know whether the last sample

Experimental Design Text Advice

2001-01-17 Thread David Jensen
I would love to find a couple good texts on the design and analysis of experiments and experimental data. Could someone recomment to me a few good text books on the subject and in particular those that emphasize biological or pharmaceutical experimentation. Thank you very much in advance, Dave