Re: statistical errors

2001-03-27 Thread Paul R Swank
The rest have selected no more than 2 of the nine as coming from normal populations. Even my faculty colleagues have been tricked! > >Rich Einsporn >U. of Akron > > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul Swank wrote: >> > >> >> I couldn't help wanting to add my

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-24 Thread Dr. Rich Einsporn
as coming from normal populations. Even my faculty colleagues have been tricked! Rich Einsporn U. of Akron On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul Swank wrote: I couldn't help wanting to add my own 2 cents to the discussion about statistical errors because I have always thought that people put too much

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-24 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Donald Burrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul R Swank wrote: I prefer the ocular test myself. Were you referring to the intraocular traumatic test? (It strikes you between the eyes.) The only use of alpha-level testing I have seen which I

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul R Swank wrote: I prefer the ocular test myself. Were you referring to the intraocular traumatic test? (It strikes you between the eyes.) -- Don. Donald

statistical errors

2001-03-22 Thread Paul Swank
I couldn't help wanting to add my own 2 cents to the discussion about statistical errors because I have always thought that people put too much faith in formal tests of assumptions. When the tests of assumptions are most sensitive to violations is when they are of less concern, when the sample

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-22 Thread Harold W Kerster
Maybe the most common mistake is omission of graphic eye-balling. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul Swank wrote: I couldn't help wanting to add my own 2 cents to the discussion about statistical errors because I have always thought that people put too much faith in formal tests of assumptions

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-22 Thread Paul R Swank
I prefer the ocular test myself. At 12:16 PM 3/22/01 -0700, Harold W Kerster wrote: > Maybe the most common mistake is omission of graphic eye-balling. > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul Swank wrote: > >> I couldn't help wanting to add my own 2 cents to the discussion about statisti

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-18 Thread Thom Baguley
Herman Rubin wrote: Proportional representation for electors will never come, because it will greatly weaken the party machinery. Both parties prefer the situation where one goes after the votes of large states, or swing states, writing off the ones which cannot be won. With even

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], P.G.Hamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable within any reasonable degree of

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-13 Thread P.G.Hamer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable within any reasonable degree of scientific confidence. Since we cannot know who has won, the Florida

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors (fwd)

2000-12-10 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 9 Dec 2000 17:28:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hayden) wrote: It's not clear how you split 25 electors among 2 candidates when you don't know the popular vote, nor if you assume it was a tie. (You might then have a lawsuit over which elector will be split in two!-) There are lots of

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-10 Thread lookingaround9970
6)In addition, what we really need is for some _feedback_. Give the voter a device that will read the ballot, and tell the voter what will be recorded, _before_ adding to the tally. That way, they will have increased confidence that their vote will be recorded as they want. Do we

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-09 Thread thompson
Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable within any reasonable degree of scientific confidence. Since we cannot know who has won, the Florida Legislature should use their power

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors (fwd)

2000-12-09 Thread Bob Hayden
- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable within any reasonable degree of scientific confidence. Since we cannot know who

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-09 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, ... Is it, indeed? How do you define "margin of error" for this process? ... declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable ...

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-01 Thread Gene Gallagher
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry Dallal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree with those who would use a binomial model for the overall vote totals to describe the uncertainty in the Florida vote count. (This constitutes the Type III error discussed in another thread--the right answer

Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-11-30 Thread Gene Gallagher
There seems to be some misunderstanding in the press about a fundamental difference between a sample of a larger population and a complete census. J. A. Paulos in his NY Times article ‘We're Measuring Bacteria With a Yardstick' http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/22/opinion/22PAUL.html stated: "Not

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-11-30 Thread dennis roberts
it might be that simple probability theory is not a good vehicle for talking about the error(S) that can/have occurred in the election (like florida) but, the reality is that we know for sure that there are several sources of error that can and do occur 1. voter error (misplaced marks,

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-11-30 Thread David Rothman
simply put, the problem is that the original census is not pristine - not unaltered. it is not simply a matter of separating clearly marked red cards from clearly marked black cards. therefore, tho it is theoretically possible to count well marked objects with close to zero sampling error, the

RE: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-11-30 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
Gene Gallagher writes: Neither of these authors explicitly use the binomial distribution (but Paulos certainly alludes to it), but in last Sunday's Boston Globe, two letters to the editor made the argument that if the vote difference in a state like Florida is within sqrt(n)/2 votes (about 1225

Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-11-30 Thread Bob Hayden
- Forwarded message from Gene Gallagher - There seems to be some misunderstanding in the press about a fundamental difference between a sample of a larger population and a complete census. - End of forwarded message from Gene Gallagher - Possibly, but I don't think the Florida