Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread jim clark
Hi On 24 May 2001, David Heiser wrote: Be careful on your assumptions in your models and studies! --- Placebo Effect An Illusion, Study Says By Gina Kolata New York Times (Published in the Sacramento Bee, Thursday, May 24, 2001) ... He and

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
jim clark wrote: Was there some reason that they did not include studies with only 2 groups: no treatment and placebo? Only those two groups are necessary to determine whether placebo differs from no treatment. Possibly because ethics committees would not OK an experiment that

SAS / STAT Documentation

2001-05-25 Thread Anna Nass
Hi, I am deperately looking for a good documentation on SAS/STAT Output (e.g. proc DISCRIM, etc.) So far I have been working with SPSS and it seems to me that the output is quite different. (But it should be the same ?! Thanks a lot in advance. Anna Nass

Re: Standardized testing in schools

2001-05-25 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 24 May 2001 23:25:42 GMT, W. D. Allen Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this proved to me , once again, why nuclear power plants are too hazardous to trust:... Maybe you better rush to tell the Navy how risky nuclear power plants are! They have only been operating nuclear power

Re: sample size and sampling error

2001-05-25 Thread W. D. Allen Sr.
Get all the samples you can afford! Text book recipes on determining sample size implicitly assume that all the elements of the population in question are selected randomly [ equally likely to be selected ]. Voluntary response to a mail-in survey means you will get only those samples that

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 24 May 2001 21:39:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Heiser) wrote: Be careful on your assumptions in your models and studies! --- Placebo Effect An Illusion, Study Says By Gina Kolata New York Times (Published in the Sacramento Bee,

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread Elliot Cramer
I am not impressed. I don't think much of people who compare placebo with no treatment; seems stupid to me. I would expect a placebo in any case in which the evaluation is a human judgement or one's expectation could reasonably be expected to affect a measured response. Thus I think you could

Re: SAS / STAT Documentation

2001-05-25 Thread Cantor
Try looking for ftp://ftp.sas.com/techsup/ Uzytkownik Anna Nass [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisal w wiadomosci [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I am deperately looking for a good documentation on SAS/STAT Output (e.g. proc DISCRIM, etc.) So far I have been working with SPSS and it

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread J. Williams
On 25 May 2001 19:39:50 GMT, Elliot Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not impressed. I don't think much of people who compare placebo with no treatment; seems stupid to me. I would expect a placebo in any case in which the evaluation is a human judgement or one's expectation could

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread Elliot Cramer
Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : - I was a bit surprised by the newspaper coverage. I tend to : forget that most people, including scientists, do *not* blame : regression-to-the-mean, as the FIRST suspicious cause : whenever there is a pre-post design: because they have : scarce