Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-24 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:54 PM Wes Turner wrote: > > I grew up in Omaha, NE and the suburbs of St Louis, MO. I don't remember > when I leaned about the "Old Man River" proposal to build a dome over all > of East St Louis in 1971 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_River%27s_City_project >

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-24 Thread DL Neil
On 24/06/19 6:08 AM, kirby urner wrote: Somewhere every summer, I tend to call into question the wisdom of buying the kids another scientific calculator at the drug store (we call them that here, pharmacies have calculators hanging on racks at the checkout, to cash in on gullibility and

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-24 Thread DL Neil
On 24/06/19 7:14 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > It would be a good team-teaching lesson, one teacher on the white-board lecturing, and the other typing the python-translation of the lecture into code on a big screen. Do you find teamed presentations to be more effective, contrived, or overwhelming

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, kirby urner wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 4:12 PM Wes Turner wrote: > > >> Yes, my friend Gerald de Jong was a first adapter of "elastic interval >>> geometry" where every "rod" is a tension-compression spring governed by >>> mathematics. He put creatures made

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 4:12 PM Wes Turner wrote: > Yes, my friend Gerald de Jong was a first adapter of "elastic interval >> geometry" where every "rod" is a tension-compression spring governed by >> mathematics. He put creatures made as tensegrities in a simulation and >> selected for which

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, kirby urner wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:57 PM Wes Turner wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: >> >>> I'll bet every one of those graphing calcs has also been replicated as a >>> phone app >>> >> >>> That's cool stuff there! (yours)

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:57 PM Wes Turner wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: > >> I'll bet every one of those graphing calcs has also been replicated as a >> phone app >> > >> That's cool stuff there! (yours) >> > > Yeah, that's really cool. Was the MoCap (motion capture)

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: > Ahh, that's a good point! But the whole problem can be worked-out from > scratch, in front of them in one hour if you're fast. > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Just don't hold up a finger when you've solved it and you should be

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: > I'll bet every one of those graphing calcs has also been replicated as a > phone app > > That's cool stuff there! (yours) > Yeah, that's really cool. Was the MoCap (motion capture) done at the University of Nebraska Omaha (UNO)? They've a new

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:40 PM C. Cossé wrote: > Yes that must be disappointing if 'The House of Tomorrow' didn't convey or > do justice to the content of his work. > > > Oh no, it was a fine movie. Thumbs up. I'm fully understanding that a fictional audience that has to earn its keep in

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
Yes that must be disappointing if 'The House of Tomorrow' didn't convey or do justice to the content of his work. On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:50 AM kirby urner wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM C. Cossé wrote: > >> Hi Kirby, >> >> I think kids should write their own plotting

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
Oh yeah! the moon ... what an opportunity to exercise the benefits of object-oriented programming right there ... thing1.orbit(thing2) ... On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:34 PM kirby urner wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:31 PM C. Cossé wrote: > >> I agree with everything you say, but I'm just

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
I'll bet every one of those graphing calcs has also been replicated as a phone app That's cool stuff there! (yours) On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:30 PM kirby urner wrote: > > Another modeling activity that's fun is starting with a giant spreadsheet > (maybe a pandas DataFrame) wherein the columns

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:31 PM C. Cossé wrote: > I agree with everything you say, but I'm just talking about day #1 of > algebra class ... pretty much just an inspirational show and demonstration > that satisfying capabilities are within their reach > Youtube stardom awaits you. Seriously,

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
I agree with everything you say, but I'm just talking about day #1 of algebra class ... pretty much just an inspirational show and demonstration that satisfying capabilities are within their reach On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:11 PM kirby urner wrote: > > > > >> No prior knowledge ... it's all on

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
Another modeling activity that's fun is starting with a giant spreadsheet (maybe a pandas DataFrame) wherein the columns are xyz coordinates of ballerina body sensors. As we know, the movie industry uses these sensors routinely, to bring an actor into a virtual reality (e.g. Gollum in Lord of the

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
Ahh, that's a good point! But the whole problem can be worked-out from scratch, in front of them in one hour if you're fast. On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:14 PM Wes Turner wrote: > > It would be a good team-teaching lesson, one teacher on the white-board > lecturing, and the other typing the

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
> It would be a good team-teaching lesson, one teacher on the white-board lecturing, and the other typing the python-translation of the lecture into code on a big screen. Do you find teamed presentations to be more effective, contrived, or overwhelming than just speaking aloud to model the

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
I think dragging them through a non-trivial project start-to-finish in one intro lesson can be effective at reaching students because it shows them everything (which is not so much) that lies between them and a completed application/product, thereby giving them hope and not scaring them that it's

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
> No prior knowledge ... it's all on the teacher to be familiar enough to > walk all over and essentially "drag them through" (the kids=them) the > process of developing their own quick solar system model. It would be a > good team-teaching lesson, one teacher on the white-board lecturing, and >

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:36 AM Wes Turner wrote: > >> >> In one lesson developing a simple solar system in pygame, for example, >> you can teach everything from the meaning of pi, periodic motion, dynamic >> graphics, orders of magnitude,

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
Another plotting exercise: MathClock / MathCircle With X, Y coordinates, - Draw a circle - Draw a circle around the origin - Label degrees (360; Babylonian base 12) - Label fractional radians - Label 12 hours - Label the 60 minutes - Draw clock hands And then do the same with radial coordinates

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:36 AM Wes Turner wrote: > > In one lesson developing a simple solar system in pygame, for example, you > can teach everything from the meaning of pi, periodic motion, dynamic > graphics, orders of magnitude, scaling, OOP, ... all kinds of stuff. > > What a fun

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM C. Cossé wrote: > Hi Kirby, > > I think kids should write their own plotting routines to graph their > functions starting anywhere 3rd-7th grade. > > If they wish to, yes, so many optional branches. I'm coasting along using everyday office productivity tools

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, June 23, 2019, C. Cossé wrote: > Hi Kirby, > > I think kids should write their own plotting routines to graph their > functions starting anywhere 3rd-7th grade. > > In one lesson developing a simple solar system in pygame, for example, you > can teach everything from the meaning of

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread Wes Turner
After K-12 years of compulsory math education, no-one (no-one!) taught me that there are CAS (Computer Algebra Systems) like SymPy and Sage; other than that better calculators are not allowed because that's an unfair advantage. Simplified cost and revenue models with fixed and variable expenses

Re: [Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread C . Cossé
Hi Kirby, I think kids should write their own plotting routines to graph their functions starting anywhere 3rd-7th grade. In one lesson developing a simple solar system in pygame, for example, you can teach everything from the meaning of pi, periodic motion, dynamic graphics, orders of

[Edu-sig] seasonal challenge to calculator dominance in high schools

2019-06-23 Thread kirby urner
Somewhere every summer, I tend to call into question the wisdom of buying the kids another scientific calculator at the drug store (we call them that here, pharmacies have calculators hanging on racks at the checkout, to cash in on gullibility and impulse buys). This year: