Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 21:58 +0200, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any > > > maintainer for > > > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > > > worked on > > > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There > > > just are > > > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > > > downgrade those two programs. > > > > > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > > > in Pulseaudio. > > > > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > > user. > > I have read that bug in their bugtracker and it seems that pulseaudio > guys fixed the problem. Notice that I just installed PulseAudio from Debian unstable with libasound2-plugins 1.0.16 and it works well. The only problem is that it increases latency from 40ms in normal conditions to 340ms using PulseAudio. Not sure it is normal but I would not recommend using it :( -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > > for > > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > > it. > > > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > > worked on > > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just > > are > > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > > downgrade those two programs. > > > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > > in Pulseaudio. > > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > user. I have read that bug in their bugtracker and it seems that pulseaudio guys fixed the problem. > VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp Your VoIP address is actually sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > user. I'm almost sure the problem is this: http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/23 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/112948 Regards, Yannick -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > for > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked > on > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > downgrade those two programs. > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > in Pulseaudio. I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live user. Peace...ed Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] eeepc
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 19:10 +, len a écrit : > "Also try changing the audio device : > - Default for input and output > - Direct sound card access for input and output > -- > _ Damien Sandras" > > +++ > > I tried the above but it made no difference. > I have also installed the basic Xlite for linux and it works with a crackle > behind the transmission (but it will do for now!). > It's a shame because I like Ekiga especially the multiple sip function, I use > one for incoming and one for outgoing. I will keep an eye open for updates > (please!). Unfortunately, I do not think the problem is at our level... Have you tried contacting eeepc developers? They could have a look (or send one to us so we can fix it). -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] eeepc
"Also try changing the audio device : - Default for input and output - Direct sound card access for input and output -- _ Damien Sandras" +++ I tried the above but it made no difference. I have also installed the basic Xlite for linux and it works with a crackle behind the transmission (but it will do for now!). It's a shame because I like Ekiga especially the multiple sip function, I use one for incoming and one for outgoing. I will keep an eye open for updates (please!). __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > downgrade those two programs. You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or in Pulseaudio. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 15:23 +, D Webb a écrit : > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > for > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > it. > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > worked on > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just > are > not that many people using Linux. Ekiga is a SIP software, there are other SIP software available on Windows. > What is required to be a maintainer? Being a developer able to fix bugs, propose patches, compile, add missing features that exist on Linux but not on windows. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > not that many people using Linux. > > What is required to be a maintainer? > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and downgrade those two programs. Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are not that many people using Linux. What is required to be a maintainer? Dee _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] core dump
Le samedi 29 mars 2008 à 18:46 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit :
> The min I offer to help someone, my Ekiga goes pffst.
>
> Here is the core dump that happens when I now try a call.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params:
> Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
>
> [1]+ Aborted (core dumped) ekiga
>
> Any ideas?
>
This bug was fixed in the package alsa-plugins - 1.0.15-1ubuntu3
---
alsa-plugins (1.0.15-1ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low
* Backport remaining pcm_pulse.c patches from hg tip (LP: #112948)
that allow Ekiga to work again with PulseAudio
- debian/patches/pulse-{minmax,assert}.diff
see:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/112948
Regards,
Yannick
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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 10:28 +0200, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 00:01 +, D Webb a écrit : > > > > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > > > having problems > > > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > > > that > > > > > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga > > has > > > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > > > -- > > > _ Damien Sandras > > > > I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to > > other > > software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty > > much > > standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a > > conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga > > won't > > work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet > > to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) > > or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under > > Windows. > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > As for the Linux version, I do not think I can agree with you about the > numerous instability problems you describe. > > I agree the ALSA problem is annoying and is reported by several people > (that is our number 1 bug). > > The problem is that nobody having the problem can fix it and ALSA > developers do not seem to care about it. The ALSA plugin has been there > several years and was working perfectly until they did some change in > the library and triggered that bug. > > Have you tried using the very latest libasound2 version ? Also, does it occur with both sound devices (Default and direct access to the sound card) ? -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] core dump
Le samedi 29 mars 2008 à 18:46 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > The min I offer to help someone, my Ekiga goes pffst. > > Here is the core dump that happens when I now try a call. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: > Assertion `err >= 0' failed. > > [1]+ Aborted (core dumped) ekiga > > Any ideas? That's the infamous ALSA bug... -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 00:01 +, D Webb a écrit : > > > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > > having problems > > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > > that > > > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga > has > > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > > -- > > _ Damien Sandras > > I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to > other > software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty > much > standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a > conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga > won't > work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet > to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) > or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under > Windows. The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. As for the Linux version, I do not think I can agree with you about the numerous instability problems you describe. I agree the ALSA problem is annoying and is reported by several people (that is our number 1 bug). The problem is that nobody having the problem can fix it and ALSA developers do not seem to care about it. The ALSA plugin has been there several years and was working perfectly until they did some change in the library and triggered that bug. Have you tried using the very latest libasound2 version ? Have you tried debugging the problem ? > ALSA. There are plenty of people around here who have tried and > failed, > so it is clear there are problems. I guess I could ask around for > specifics Yes, please ask them to tell us, because we rarely have crash reports (except for the ALSA thing). -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] core dump
> > Here is the core dump that happens when I now try a call. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: > > Assertion `err >= 0' failed. > > > > [1]+ Aborted (core dumped) ekiga > > > > Any ideas? So is this your working (formerly working) UbuntuStudio 7.0 and Ekiga 2.0.11? The assert error is how I ended up on this list. no solution so far, but by all accounts it is a bug in alsa-lib that I have reported with ALSa. I do not get the core dump so far. Any idea if you get the assert error even if Ekiga works fine or if it is directly related to this crash? Dee _ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> I am running UbuntuStudio 7.10 and Ekiga 2.0.11. > I have a little trouble with the audio at times but usually can work > it out to the point of carrying on a conversation. Video has worked > fine on my system as well. Many time I suspect the mic on both ends. > Mine has been stepped on but I intend to invest in a good one that I > can snap to my collar. This is yet another report of success with Ubuntu and Ekiga 2.0.11. I now know of one person who got Ekiga to work on Slackware. This was a separate build on a Slackware box that I think he said was not dependent on Gnome that i have yet to locate. I will look into UbuntuStudio 7.10 as well, not sure what that is as compared to Ubuntu distro. Thanks for the tip Me, I am in Sweden. It is believed most Linux users are pretty much everywhere on the planet except USA. Great to see Ubuntu in Montana. Dee _ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
