Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Fred Jensen
It was a feeble attempt at humor, given the nearly countable infinity of posts here on baluns over the last few years including but not limited to what they are, what they aren't, how they work, do they even work?, and do they even exist at all.  Perhaps my attempt was more feeble than I

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Fred Jensen
What?  You mean the guvmint has classified Carlsbad Caverns now? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 4/10/2019 11:36 AM, K8TE wrote: We have one in NM, however I am not allowed to talk/write about it. No, it has nothing to do with Roswell. 73, Bill, K8TE

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
I believe I run the highest SWR of anyone here. It is close to 100:1 in normal operation according to EZNEC (I have never tried to measure it). The line is open-wire line made with no. 12 (2mm) wire, only about 10m long. The highest SWR is on 40 meters, and I calculate the loss as around 1

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
And for that reason as Roy stated, those components that are rated "legal limit" are done so under MATCHED conditions.    Use a legal limit component in a condition where SWR is 2:1 or 3:1 or higher and one is likely to find it becoming a smoke generator at legal limit or even less. Case and

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Hu...see: http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/ I seem to think this fellow has a good grasp about the "alien origin" of baluns. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/10/2019 12:23 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: It also spawned the "balun," a mysterious device that may be of alien origin since no one seems to

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread K8TE
We have one in NM, however I am not allowed to talk/write about it. No, it has nothing to do with Roswell. 73, Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread Fred Jensen
Or 10:1 or even 20:1.  However ... there's always a "however" or a "but" ... it doesn't matter.  The dielectric constant of air [the insulator between open wire conductors] is very close to 1 whereas it is much larger for various forms of coax.  Very high SWR creates very high voltages along

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-10 Thread David Woolley
A typical transmitter does not reverse terminate the transmission line with its characteristic impedance, so most of the reflected power gets re-reflected as forward power. Reflected power isn't necessarily lost power. At least at lower frequencies, it is likely to present a much higher

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
For a slightly different answer, take a look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on Antennas, Transmission Lines, and Tuners. You can also find that same article preserved at https://www.qsl.net/w3fpr/ant_article.htm. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/9/2019 8:56 PM, Don Sanders wrote: Since no one has

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread W2xj
I agree except that even at 500KW a 2:1 or greater is the norm with open wire line. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2019, at 19:10, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Well, the reflected power is created by a "virtual transmitter" at the > feedpoint of the antenna and heads down the coax which has a

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Fred Jensen
Well, the reflected power is created by a "virtual transmitter" at the feedpoint of the antenna and heads down the coax which has a surge impedance of Z0 ohms.  It meets the SO-239 at the TX and sees an impedance of Z1, the impedance presented by the PA and output filters.  If Z1=Z0, the power

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Don Sanders
Since no one has answered your question. I will venture a supposition that many know but few will speak out. And some still remember their CB days and the erroneous advertising saying the power is lost. Reflected Power flows back down the feed line and is subjected to the normal feed line loss. It

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Roy Koeppe
"...Let's allow the reflected power to increase all the way to 10 watts! At that point, your SWR would be about 2 to 1. Sounds pretty bad, but surely if you were stranded in the desert and had to use your KX3 and a wire to get help, you'd be happy to have a match this good...(etc.)" From

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Fred Jensen
Why does everyone seem to think all the secret, hollow mountains are in Nevada?  I know of one in Colorado and another in Virginia.  Umm ... maybe that's in West Virginia, not sure now.  [:-)) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County I chose these scenarios deviously, to

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Roger D Johnson
For an interesting discussion..."What happens to the power that's reflected?" On 4/9/2019 3:42 PM, Al Lorona wrote: There's always a lot of discussion about measuring SWR, low SWR values, SWR lights not lighting up, etc. Here's something that might give you a better 'feel' for SWR. Imagine

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Ron Genovesi
Oh My God! A voice of reason! And from here of all places! How absolutely unexpected! Thank you sir. > On Apr 9, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > There's always a lot of discussion about measuring SWR, low SWR values, SWR > lights not lighting up, etc. Here's something that might

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Thank you Al Lorona! 73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/9/2019 2:42 PM, Al Lorona wrote: There's always a lot of discussion about measuring SWR, low SWR values, SWR lights not lighting up, etc. Here's something that might give you a better 'feel' for SWR. Imagine that you measure your forward power at 100

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
My friend Al has described some interesting things about SWR measurement here. But not all power/swr meters behave this way. In fact the Elecraft W2 meter is in this class. The designer added an ingenious little circuit to the diodes to bias them into their linear region. What the smeans is

[Elecraft] Measuring SWR (Long)

2019-04-09 Thread Al Lorona
There's always a lot of discussion about measuring SWR, low SWR values, SWR lights not lighting up, etc. Here's something that might give you a better 'feel' for SWR. Imagine that you measure your forward power at 100 W and your reflected power at only 1 W. You'd probably be very happy about