Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat,3/19/2016 3:42 PM, Phil Kane wrote: "Low voltage" meant that the insulators were less than a meter long.:) It has a very different meaning in the wiring of buildings. Low voltage is less than 25V RMS or less than 25VDC, and has less stringent requirements for protection by being

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Bill
When arcing, they are generally visible (at night) and the arc noise can be heard when standing near the line(s) in question. That gives you the ability to locate the fire hazard. Local fire departments have been known to take a very dim view of fire hazards - and they have amazing power to

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Phil Kane
On 3/15/2016 2:05 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Count the "fins" on the insulators to estimate the voltage. 69-70 KV > are often on large umbrella type or short hanging ones. The 112 KV were > hanging from ones with about 6 sections. 230 KV usually have 12-14 > sections. 500 KV [and DC interties]

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Robert Nobis
I have a 300KV distribution line about 0.5 miles from my QTH, and have not had any significant issues. About every month or two I walk along two miles of the power line with my KX3 checking for increased noise on various bands that I normally use. Only once in eight years did I hear anything

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Always be ready to play the "public utilities commission" card. On 3/16/2016 9:11 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Another local ham who is an attorney found that contacting the state agency regulating PGE got his problems fixed when PG had previously failed to do so.

[Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Ken G Kopp
m>; <kengk...@gmail.com>; <n...@sonic.net>; < > k6...@foothill.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires > > > Lewis, >> I would have to respectfully disagree with a major portion of your >>

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed,3/16/2016 6:27 AM, Dave Olean wrote: If the RF interference is caused by power line arcing, it’s going to get detected and fixed pretty quickly by the utility. If it’s there all the time, it very likely isn’t the power company at fault. Here in Northern California where PG is our power

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed,3/16/2016 9:08 AM, Scott Ellington wrote: The arcing that causes RFI is usually not from the power lines themselves, but various pieces of poorly bonded hardware NEAR the power lines. Right. But most engineers would view the lines and that hardware as a "power distribution system,"

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-19 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes, and buried in there is the reason why it is so hard to get the power company's attention for distribution line noise [12-14 KV] ... the loss to them is minuscule compared to other costs. With no disparagement of power linemen intended, distribution is almost universally on wood poles if

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-18 Thread Scott Ellington
The arcing that causes RFI is usually not from the power lines themselves, but various pieces of poorly bonded hardware NEAR the power lines. 73, Scott K9MA On 3/16/2016 09:18, Wes (N7WS) wrote: He did say that he was head of the PR department. On 3/15/2016 8:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-18 Thread Wes (N7WS)
He did say that he was head of the PR department. On 3/15/2016 8:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Lew, That's in direct conflict with everything I've seen from RFI engineers. Over the years, I've seen plenty of reports of hardware in the power system failing in a mode that causes it to arc. See

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-18 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Lots of good info, but due to the large number of posts, let's end this thread now in the interest of lowering list overload for others. 73, Eric Eric /Modulator - //elecraft.com/ On 3/16/2016 10:27 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: Well said, Dave. Unlike another poster, you appear to have an

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Lewis Phelps
Please reread the first sentence of my prior post, in which I qualified what I said with the phrase “…if it’s functioning properly.” What I said is NOT in conflict with your points. Power line noise is, de facto, the result of some sort of equipment failure. We agree on that. If something is

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Ken G Kopp
The Loftness book is the "go to" text on power line noise. EVERY metal-to-metal junction is suspect. Lazy linemen hammer lag bolts straight in when installing cross arm braces. Metal steeples holding ground wire running down a pole arc and set poles on fire. The list is endless. 73 K0PP

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Jim Brown
Lew, That's in direct conflict with everything I've seen from RFI engineers. Over the years, I've seen plenty of reports of hardware in the power system failing in a mode that causes it to arc. See http://www.arrl.org/power-line-noise for a great discussion of all sorts of RF noise,

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Lewis Phelps
Drawing from a decade of experience working as head of the PR department for a major electric utility (a long time ago), I’d like to suggest that arcing per se should not be a problem at any time with any power line if it is functioning properly. The individual transmission wires are spaced far

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Fred Jensen
Others might be interested ... We moved here to Sparks NV last Aug. Prior, we lived on 5 rural ac outside of Auburn CA for 38 years. Distribution lines were 12 KV, we had our own pole pig. There was a 69 KV tie line on wood poles between two hydro plants that cut across the south corner.

Re: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread w4grj
3/15/2016 15:17 (GMT-05:00) To: "<elecraft@mailman.qth.net>" <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires Greetings all. We are considering moving to a location that is more friendly to ham radio and especially the performance of

[Elecraft] OT: K3 and High Tension Wires

2016-03-15 Thread Chris Hallinan
Greetings all. We are considering moving to a location that is more friendly to ham radio and especially the performance of my K3. Here in our crowded neighborhood, I have regular S7 noise levels on all the lower HF bands. One home we found (and like) sits fairly close to high tension wires (ie