Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Brian Denley
Wes: Yes but I assume you have have used or use other xcvrs as well. As a general comment, that doesn’t change the idea that using ALC to control a xcvr’s power to one’s linear isn’t the purpose of ALC and would seem to not be a very healthy practice. If one were to choose that path, then

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Wes
You do know that the K3(S) uses a slow ALC system for power control don't you? Wes  N7WS On 7/12/2019 8:53 PM, Brian Denley wrote: Nothing when that’s what you want. But using ALC to control xcvr power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Brian Denley
Nothing when that’s what you want. But using ALC to control xcvr power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Wes wrote: > > And what exactly is the problem with compression? It's used all over the >

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Jim Brown
A common cause of incidental AM is ripple in the crystal filter(s) in use. One reason I went to the 2.8 kHz filter was that it had less ripple, and the difference was obvious on RTTY. 73, Jim K9YC On 7/12/2019 3:45 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote: It should be mentioned that FT8 and JT65 are constant

[Elecraft] The Night of Nights

2019-07-12 Thread eric norris via Elecraft
Tonight is the 20th anniversary of the end of marine radiotelegraphy.  You can listen in to the activities detailed below.  KFS is currently booming in here on 12MHz on my K3. Maritime Radio Historical Society | | | | || | | | | | Maritime Radio Historical Society

Re: [Elecraft] Am settings?

2019-07-12 Thread Frank Krozel
Hey Bob, Long time. I actually used the Jupiter you and I talked about awhile back to listen before going “live’. I don’t have the wider filter yet, still looking for a 15kHz filter. The guy I bought it from pulled the 6kHz, not a big deal as I am going to get the 15kHz someday. The hole is

Re: [Elecraft] Am settings?

2019-07-12 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
First, how have you determined that you will need EQ for AM? With the stock SSB filter you won't get AM to sound good.  And with the 6 kHz AM filter, that depends largely on the type of mike being used and your mike technique.   I  use the same mike and mike technique and EQ for SSB as I do

Re: [Elecraft] Am settings?

2019-07-12 Thread Grant Youngman
Do you have either the 6 or 13 KHz filter? If you’re transmitting through the SSB filter, your bandwidth is going to be substantially constricted, and may sound pretty muddy. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > > So let me start out by saying I

Re: [Elecraft] poor 2m reception on KX3

2019-07-12 Thread Eric Garner
Following Scott McDonald's off list suggestion I went through with the cover off and wiggled the coax internal to the KX3 hoping to find an intermittent connection. I ended up discovering a kink in the coax from the antenna connector to the 2m board. I'm going to replace that and see if that was

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Wes
Actually, gain compression reduces "gain" not dynamic range.  All signals are reduced in amplitude by the same number of dB.  This is the only way it doesn't introduce distortion. This reminds me of the endless discussions about RX AGC where everyone has their favorite combination of rf-gain,

[Elecraft] Am settings?

2019-07-12 Thread Frank Krozel
So let me start out by saying I am a CW guy but listen to the AM guys on the weekends. Reminds me of when I just got into ham radio back in 1968. They guys were on 1805 here in Chicago area. I have not yet bought the 13kHz filter so I am strapped with what I have in it now, stock. Can anyone

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Conrad PA5Y
It should be mentioned that FT8 and JT65 are constant envelope and therefore there should not be any AF envelope to follow. Actually when I recently measured the AF output from WSJT-X there was a tiny amount of AM, around 1.4% in fact which so small as to be of no consequence. ALC can

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Fred Jensen
Well ... I think it depends on your definition of distortion.  One can argue that, if the RF envelope does not exactly equal the original AF envelope, the signal has been distorted and that is certainly the case when the dynamic range has been reduced with compression.  It doesn't increase the

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Don't confuse compression and clipping. Compression reduces dynamic range while clipping sets a hard ceiling and does generate distortion. Compression used correctly does not generate distortion. 73 Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Wes wrote: > > What

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Wes
What distortion? On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Jim Brown
I'm talking about feeding detected audio to the computer for decoding. And not all digital formats are the same -- going from one to another takes time and processor power, and, depending on how data is encoded, may be problematic. 73, Jim K9YC On 7/12/2019 12:49 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: "The

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Jim Rhodes
Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes wrote: > And what exactly is the problem with compression? It's used all over the >

Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

2019-07-12 Thread Wes
And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the place. Wes  N7WS On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote: I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control. It’s a protection system. Over use of ALC acts like compression. No? Brian KB1VBF Sent

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Andy Durbin
"The spec that matters is the linearity of the A/D at the extremes of the dynamic range." Jim, A bit more information please. Are you talking about TX or RX? Are you talking about the A/D that is typically in the TX path between the CODEC and DSP of a modern transceiver or perhaps an A/D

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Jim Brown
To put this in context, WSJT-X works at 16-bit 48 kHz. The spec that matters is the linearity of the A/D at the extremes of the dynamic range. 73, Jim K9YC On 7/12/2019 8:02 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: "It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Andy Durbin
"It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the PCM2903 is not recommended for new designs" Well, the PCM2903C seems to be the latest version of the PCM2903 and it does not have the NRND designation. The PCM2901 datasheet reference to PCM2903E is

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Andy Durbin
"The TI PCM2901, I am told by a Watsonville rep, was used in the K3-S." Thanks. The PCM2901 and PCM2903 appear to be be very similar. The only obvious difference I found is in support of S/PDIF. It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the PCM2903

[Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.

2019-07-12 Thread Mark Murray via Elecraft
Andy: In answer to your two questions: The TI PCM2901, I am told by a Watsonville rep, was used in the K3-S. Whether it was used in early production runs, or used in later production runs, I do not know. It comes in two versions: Model E and Model EG4. The data sheet and other specs can be