Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb

[Peter W2IRT]

I went a similar route with a MicroKeyer MK-II. Does the job very well, but it
makes disconnecting and re-connecting the radio a cast iron bear of a job. I
really want to replace the MK-II with another (simpler) solution for FSK, CW
keying, SSB voice file sequencing and CAT control, and was thinking the
combination of a Y-box and an S-box-USB would do the job. The problem being the
MK-II is RFI-susceptible, and the software has eaten itself on several occasions
over the past few years.

 - pjd


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of AB4IQ
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:04 PM
To: 'Nr4c'; 'Richard Ferch'
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb

I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does
FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well.  I thought I would use it on the K3S
but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK.  It's still setting in
the box looking lonely.  I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and
Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get rid
of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff.  Hi..

The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes.

Ed.. AB4IQ


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Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode

[Peter W2IRT]

Think of it this way. Let's say that your default CW note tone is 500 Hz. When 
you're zero-beat with someone at 500Hz they're "right in the middle" of your 
ears. Equal signal left and right. A 750 Hz tone would appear in your right 
ear, and a 350 Hz tone in your left. As you move the VFO from where you are, 
tuning "up" the band, that 750 Hz tone would "slide across your head" to the 
left, and when you zero beat it, it's right in the middle. If you keep tuning 
in that same direction, that same signal would start to favor the left ear, and 
below a pre-set threshold, would appear only in your left ear.

I'd gladly pay to have what the OP is asking for as well. 



 - pjd

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" 
using AFX PITCH mode

Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put 
them back on do the trick?  That way left would be right and right would 
be left.

Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't
> understand the tech here (hear?).
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE  wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense.
>>
>> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the
>> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch,
>> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would
>> slide to the left based on the tuning speed.
>>
>> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to
>> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it
>> matches the tuning 'sense'.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> -- Dave, N8SBE
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Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations

[Peter W2IRT]

I find the best thing for phone contesting is a ton of attenuation and 
judicious use of RF Gain, combined with narrow bandwidth. No way to get rid of 
the low-frequency rumble from within the passband, but the combination of the 
roofing filter, DSP high cut and shift/width will get rid of the high-pitched 
adjacent noise enough to be reasonably efficient. I still don't like SSB 
contests, but they're far more survivable with a loaded K3s than they were with 
previous radios!

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GO FRC!
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Stravinsky via 
Elecraft
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 1:35 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations

I opted for a 2.1 ssb filter hoping to be able to enjoy phone contesting just a 
little bit more but so far I haven't found the magic elixir for phone.I only 
replied to the post after seeing "information garbling" from Don.  That is 
exactly what happens to me with whatever filter or passbandsetting I have tried 
in my K3 during a phone contest.  Btw, that is during major DX contests, I can 
handle the smaller ones but normally don't, hi.

BillK3WJV
   On Sunday, August 26, 2018, 9:53:41 AM EDT, Don Wilhelm 
 wrote:  
 
 Lee,

The 2.8kHz filter has a flatter passband and steeper skirts than the 2.7kHz.

But remember that this is a roofing filter, the DSP provides the actual 
filtering for the K3/K3S.
The purpose of the roofing filter is to keep strong adjacent signals 
from overloading the Hardware AGC and the ADC at the input to the DSP 
circuits.  A strong signal that is inside the passband of the roofing 
filter, but outside the passband of the DSP filter (you may not hear 
that signal since it is outside the DSP filter) can cause receiver AGC 
"pumping" and in extreme cases can overload the ADC causing severe 
"information garbling".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/26/2018 8:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote:
> I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of 
> the radio as a guide.  What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the 
> stock 2.7?  What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you?
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Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations

[Peter W2IRT]

For SSB, I tricked my K3s out with a pair of matched 2.8s (needed for diversity
reception) and a 2.1 that frankly doesn't make much of a difference. I also have
the 13 kHz filter in for wideband RX and 10m FM (and if I ever wanted ESSB
audio, which I don't). On the CW side, I have a matched pair of 400 Hz filters
(again, for diversity reception), and a 250 -- and only because at the time I
ordered, the 200 wasn't available.

I'm very pleased with that combination, and the only change I'd make if I had to
do it again would be a 1.8 instead of a 2.1 for SSB.

 - pjd


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On Behalf Of Lee Murrah via Elecraft
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:45 AM
To: Elecraft Mail List
Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations

I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the
radio as a guide.  What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock
2.7?  What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you?
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[Elecraft] KPA-1500 questions and low pass filters

[Peter W2IRT]

Hi all,
Just got my 1500 connected last night and so far so good. I do have two
questions, however. First, is it possible to toggle standby and operate from the
K3s, instead of using either the remote software or physically pressing the
button on the amp? And second, I was under the impression that there was a way
to have separate transmitter powers depending on whether the amp is inline or
not. I normally like to run the full 100W from the K3s, but when I kick the amp
in, I have to drop TX power to ~25 Watts.

Another issue I have involves the feed path. I am using a remote antenna switch
mounted at the tower. At the moment I have all my HF antennas connected through
there, using the Antenna 1 port on the amp (previously on the K3s). Antenna 2 is
for 6m only. I would like to route the 6m antenna from this switchbox as well,
but the problem is the HF output is running through a low-pass filter. Are there
low-pass filters that don't cut off until ~54 MHz?



Regards,
Peter Dougherty

 

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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

[Peter W2IRT]

The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website 
than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit.

 - pjd


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:09 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t 
usually publish volume or number of units sold.  They will publish information 
on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons 
including units sold and so forth.  That kind of survey is what you would 
expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no 
different then a high school popularity contest.  And, most surveys are like 
this.  Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too.  I once did a survey for Consumer Reports 
on a new car purchase.  It took me 30 minutes to finish.  I think it had on the 
order of 100+ questions.  It was years ago and not even an on-line survey.  I 
can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an 
extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared.  I had to mark a whole 
lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.Rather 
> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
> contest.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for 
>> Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>> 
>>  - pjd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>> 
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
>> 
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

[Peter W2IRT]

Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. 

 - pjd

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On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones

[Peter W2IRT]

The first three are easy. The fourthnot so much. If you're willing to 
forego wireless you might still be able to find the UFlyMic add-on for the 
QC-15 headset. They stopped making them for amateur radio applications a while 
back, unfortunately.

I've never seen a Bluetooth ANR over-the-ear headset.

 - pjd


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:11 AM
To: Chris
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones

 This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
I’m asking a slightly different question...

A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.

1) over-the-ear dual headset
2) noise-cancelling headset
3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
preferred, wireless is *required*.

I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all
the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.

I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
headset.

There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in
EU and Asia. That also was called QD834.  It apparently not made now and
stock gone.

Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
model that matches A) 1-4) above.

Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.

73, Guy K2AV


On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Is it Sony WH-1000XM2?  I have one and love it.  It is pricey but you get
> what you pay for.  I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it
> seems better with noise cancelling.  When I fly alone for business, I use
> it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
> noise.  When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury.  LOL
>
> I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower.  I can listen to
> music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower.  This is
> great.  I wire it when I use for radios.
>
> DE Chris AD1AD
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette  wrote:
>
> > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards.  I tried a
> set
> > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones.   Big mistake.  They're
> > great.
> >
> >  $300.00 is too much for me.  What other models are in use with Elecraft
> > folks?
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones

[Peter W2IRT]

You can get a pair of factory-refurbished Bose QC-15s for a reasonable price 
online. Worth their weight in gold, absolutely. I take them on every flight and 
I can get peace and quiet even with the inevitable squalling brats all around 
me.

I've also got the RS60CF and wouldn't dream of replacing it, but for travel and 
using my K3 away from my shack, the QC-15s are the BEST.

 - pjd


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:03 PM
To: k...@arrl.net
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones

Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation.  But they are 
also expensive (even more than Sony).

Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane.  (I still use my ancient original 
model 1.0 Bose when I fly — yes they’re clunky compared to the latest, and I 
had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, but they WORK), and I don’t 
have to spend another $300-350.  Radio??  Maybe .. it’s another battery to 
worry about if you’re portable, especially.   You can always spend $1000 for a 
Bose aviation headset/mic :-)

My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn’t cheap either, but it 
doesn’t require a battery …  

Grant NQ5T



> On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette  wrote:
> 
> So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards.  I tried a set
> of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones.   Big mistake.  They're
> great.
> 
> $300.00 is too much for me.  What other models are in use with Elecraft
> folks?
> 
> Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] Lightweight and inexpensive remote control of my K3s

[Peter W2IRT]

Yep, I've seen the mini, but even that is large, plus quite expensive if memory 
serves. I'm looking for something that will be used for one weekend a year and 
maybe when I'm on vacation and something interesting happens to pop up or 
there's a 6m F2 opening, etc. I pack and travel extremely light (21" carry-on 
and a small laptop briefcase only quite often, and small/light being 
necessary). I like the idea of the remoterig boxes but do they also require the 
K3/0 or mini in addition? That's a show-stopper.

 - pjd


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:10 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lightweight and inexpensive remote control of my K3s

There are two flavors of K3/0's.  The K3/0 is the size of a K3 [but much 
lighter since it has no radio parts], the K3/0 mini is basically the 
same front panel without the radio parts or case for them.  The mini has 
a single D-sub connector on the back that handles all the RRC<-->K3 
connections.  You can use an external keyer, the keyer in the mini, or 
the keyer facility in the RRC.  Mic can go into the front or rear jacks. 
Makes a really nice control package for travel.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/29/2018 3:35 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> Once again this year I'm planning to visit friends over the Thanksgiving
> weekend. Unlike in the past, I won't be able to set up for CQWW-CW from where
> I'm staying. Instead, I'd like to remote back in to my home station.
>
> Last year I used RemoteHams software and N1MM+, and it worked OK as
> proof-of-concept, but I wasn't knocked out with the whole workflow. The 
> latency
> wasn't a big problem, but the lack of paddles was. The macros in N1MM+ were
> fine, but too often I wanted to send by hand, which I couldn't easily do with
> the RCFOrb client software. The server side software worked OK, but it's very
> finicky.
>
> I'd like a hardware solution, but not something as expensive or unwieldy as a
> K3/0. I'm thinking along the lines of something I can throw in a briefcase,
> connect to my laptop, and plug in headphones and paddles (or a mic, heavens
> forbid) and not have to rely on a dodgy piece of Windows software. Any 
> thoughts?
> I remember that the Remotehams guys had a hardware box but I've never known
> anybody who used it, and I'm not sure if RemoteRig's boxes are what I'm after
> either (don't they only work in contention with a K3/something?).
>
> -
> 73 and Good DX
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Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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As I said in my email to you post-Hamvention, if you decide offer that product 
for sale or even beta test, I'm in with bells on. 
 - pjd


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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:05 PM
To: Wayne Burdick
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That would be perfect for my use.   Im only one but sign me up.

Merv K9FD
> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it.
>
> Wayne,
> N6KR
>
>
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD  wrote:
>>
>> My question is:   Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR,  so it 
>> thats
>> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the 
>> I/Q signal
>> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?
>

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Re: [Elecraft] BNC T for IF Out

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If you're feeding the P3 from a K3s IF OUT, why not just use the pass through
feature on the P3? It has an IF OUT port. That's the route I'm thinking of
going. Would that not work?

 - pjd


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You should use a splitter with isolation. Mini-Circuits sells them.

-John NI0K

> Leroy Buller 
> Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:38 PM
> Stupid Question of the Month.
>
> Is it possible to use a BNC T to drive P3 and a SDRPlay at the same time?
> Is there enough drive to do this?
>
> Back to your regular programming.
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Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

[Peter W2IRT]

I have and LP-PAN2 and could never get it to work reliably with both U5 and U7
outboard sound cards on my system. Others have had great success with it, but I
haven't. Birdies and other junk in the spectrum. It would kinda-sorta work but
that's not good enough. I've held out for now until I can find a better
panadapter solution. I have a P3 and it's OK--it's gotten me through more than a
few DXpedition pileups looking for replying station--but I'm after a better way
to accomplish this.

The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and
I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s
than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably
powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to
reconfigure my station.

 - pjd

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On 2018-07-26 7:07 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> It's also fine with a reliable sound card!
> 
> 73, Roger
> 

Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display
with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have
reported hardware reliability issues.  That is a primary reason so
many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in
favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems.

It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of
the better hardware these days.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] Calibrating the P3 Station Monitor?

[Peter W2IRT]

I'm good with about a 10% error (on the cautious side), and since I'm a 
contester, I want to ensure I'm never over about 1425 Watts when I'm competing. 
The Alpha 4510 was supposedly calibrated to known standards as well (for $1150 
new it darned well better have been). I can live with it reading a tad high. 
However I was hoping to sell it to help fund my upcoming KP-1500 purchase, but 
the TX MON doesn't seem to be the solution, which is most unfortunate. I love 
what it does, but the accuracy is a problem.

 - pjd

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Peter Dougherty; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Peter,

Realistic instrument errors are up to 20% - check the ARRL Product reviews.
It just seems your Alpha meter is off in one direction and the TX 
MONitor is off in the other direction.

See if you can borrow an LP100 wattmeter which has been calibrated by 
N3LP to NIST tracable standards.  That will provide you with an up to 5% 
error.  Larry is reluctant to specify the error any closer than 5%.

In this age of digital displays, we have a tendency to believe that the 
display is accurate down to the last displayed digit.  More often than 
not, that is not true.
 

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[Elecraft] More macro storage

[Peter W2IRT]

Hi all,
I have a bit of a dilemma when it comes to macros and my K3s. I own a kPod
that's fully loaded with 16 always-used functions. I just developed two more
that I will use on a very regular basis, but I have no way to command them
into the radio now. The RS-232 port on the P3 is needed to connect to a
MicroHam MicroKeyer-II full-time, so the only time I can connect the K3s/P3
to the computer directly is when I remove the CAT connection from the serial
port.

My understanding is that Transceiver macro memories mirror kPod commands,
and if that's the case, I'm not sure what I can do to fire off these two
macros (one does a series of actions, the other undoes them). These macros
are for listening to the pileup on VFO-A while locking the DX on VFO-B, and
switching the L-Mix-R values for this format (then back again with the
un-set macro). Any ideas?



Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

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[Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: "Luis V. Romero" 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

In the words of the Immortal Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery Scott of Star Fleet:
"The more complex they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the
drain."

[pjd] A sentiment I generally hold to quite religiously. Scotty had the
right of it. 

Flex's are nice, they do nice things.  My lowly K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3 station
integrates just fine with anything I have here:  It works in a SO2R
environment with my secondary TS590s managed by microHAM u2R and two
microKEYERs Via N1MMPlus Logger. Radio selection and Antenna switching is a
one button push operation from N1MMPlus.[pjd] 

 [pjd] That's a nice setup, no question. But imagine doing all of that with
one and only one piece of hardware (plus the amp/tuner)? That's the
intriguing part to me. SO2R with one box. But that said, SO2R however it's
done is a pretty amazing feat and my hat is off to anybody who can do it
well.

All of this with a radio and PC I purchased in 2006.  The system will be 10
years old next month. Flex was not ready when I was looking.  They have come
a long way.  Craig K9CT has Maestro in his station.  I'm sure it will be
developed more and more as he and his ops beat on it.  

I'm sure more things are to come from Eric and Wayne.  Time will tell.  

[pjd] I hope so. I would dearly love to see an Elecraft pure SDR far more
than I would prefer to jump into the Flex line. After 14 months I've JUST
managed to figure out enough to be comfortable with my K3S as it is!

[pjd] And to answer an earlier question, I don't *want* to abandon the K3
platform (or Elecraft themselves--I believe in the company whole heartedly).
But I would like to see something with a fresh approach to hamming that's a
direct shot across the bow of the Flex 6700. The single biggest issue to be
overcome is having multiple pieces of software needing to control the radio
and speak to each other. In my case, the K3S, Microham Router, DX Lab
Suite's Commander *and* WinWarbler, a second instance of MMTTY, WSJT-X, CW
Skimmer, N1MM Plus, RCFOrb Server, Win4K3,  and NaP3. I do not believe it's
possible to run everything together and have it all work on the K3. Of
course, my biggest dream is to do SO2R, but that's a long ways out.

 >>But what I have is simple, competitive, reliable and has been, for 10
years now.  And I'm not totally dependent on a computer platform. 

 [pjd] This is where you and I differ. I would rather do all of this through
software, not hardware. Too many wires behind the desk is a recipe for
failure IMHO, and said failure invariably happens at the most inopportune
time. Right in the middle of a P5 pileup or a nice EU run in CQWW. I would
much rather have everything on a RELIABLE computer, tested eight ways from
Sunday and backed up daily (with a 3 week archive), so if something goes
completely pear shaped, it's a brief reload from a known-good backup and I'm
back in business. I'm not tracking down a bad cable that the cat dislodged
or that suffered a mechanical failure in a multi-conductor connector. Then
again, I sit and stare at computer screens for 14-18 hours a day anyways, so
I'm far more comfortable in front of a PC than some.

 >>I'm not that great of an op.  I'm also antenna challenged here in the
middle of the city.  But I win my share. And I credit my K3 station for a
lot of this success.

[pjd] Ditto on all accounts. Just a 70' tower, one antenna per band, wires
for 80/160 and a small RX loop for 160, all on a quarter-acre city lot. One
radio, one 8-port antenna switch, a P3, tuner, amp and computer. Thazzit.


Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622244...@n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:53 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a 
very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a 
goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has 
gotten bigger. 

[pjd] You're quite correct about the big tent and yes indeed there's a place
for everybody. In my younger days I enjoyed kits to some degree but not
anymore. I prefer to buy high-end gear, good antennas so on, then combine
all that hardware with functional software and squeeze every scrap of
performance out of my station that I can. 

I'm not an emcommer at all, and I treat Field Day like any other contest
(i.e. one (small) step short of a blood sport). I love CW although I'm not
particularly good at it. I dislike SSB due to the lid factor and those few
times I'm on digital it's usually RTTY for HF DX or JT-65 for 6m VUCC grids
or new DXCC entities. I love the thrill of the chase and running in a
contest. To me, any Q longer than about 5 seconds is too long , and
Rate Is King. CQWW and ARRL-DX are the highlights of my ham radio year, as
are the ARRL And CQ 160m contests and DXpeditions to top-10 entities.

My K3S allows me to do *almost* anything I want, but the limitations I've
put forth earlier in this thread are also pretty substantial and something I
was hoping to overcome. My understanding is now a lot clearer, and some kind
of true SDR like a QS1R or similar will need to be added to give me the true
versatility I'm after. And for as much as a Flex 6700 appeals to me, I think
I'm going to stick with what I have until I end up losing too many pileup
battles or I find I'm at too much of a disadvantage in CQWW/ARRL-DX.




- pjd

 

 





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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

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From: Tony Estep [via Elecraft] 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:27 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

-- 
As many have posted here,  it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy 
enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my 
normal operation. 

[pjd] I have finally gotten it working but it’s NOT simple and is pretty 
limited given my hardware.

Is it the best option? Maybe not, but it’s one more tool in my shed. Because of 
the limitations of LP-PAN, however, I found it pretty well useless in ARRL-CW 
this year and I just stuck to straight RBN spots. But with that said, I’d 
prefer to have a full local skimmer running to cut down on “false 
positives”—stuff the big RBN guys can copy but I can’t. 


It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who 
has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some 
clever ideas about how to get the most out of it.

[pjd] I look forward to reading these. 

If you have a two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any 
pileup. 

[pjd] I think that fits into the YMMV category, Tony. If you can hear the guys 
the DX station is calling you can see who gets the 5NN and the pattern he’s 
working (if any) within a call or two. In a 20kHz CW pileup that can be 
huge—again, provided there’s prop to you and other callers as well as the DX. 
It helped me bag FT4JA on CW a couple of times and South Sandwich earlier this 
year.
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft]
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OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or 
compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably 
achievable. But, would running it be any fun?

[pjd] Depends on your definition of fun. I'd love to try it, personally. 

Could you be proud of the certificates hanging on your wall that you
gathered using this kind of AI?

[pjd] I can't speak for you or anybody else, but if I assembled and
maintained such a station, absolutely. 

The question I ask whenever a discussion of this nature crops up: where do
you stop the technology clock? Y2K? 1975? 1958? WW2? Marconi-era? If we're
to advance the radio art and the available pool of qualified technical
people what better way than to push the tech boundaries and compete against
one another to test its reliability and our skills? No, it's not the same as
sitting with a paddle and a paper log and a dupe sheet but is that latter
skill advancing the radio art? Fun as hell, you betcha, but is it advancing
the art?

Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best
receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple
bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal
on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software
and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice
keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to
one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of
cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one
box. 

- pjd


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: jermo [mailto:je...@carolinaheli.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

 

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c. 

 

 

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering 
the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of 
itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered 
station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and 
understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or 
S) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” 
workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the 
wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the 
difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys 
ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship 
more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as 
they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least 
integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end. 

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here 
would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF,  
operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as 
sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a 
working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump 
through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose 
equipment lends itself to that function. 

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; 
assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t 
dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to 
make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT <li...@w2irt.net> 
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 






Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

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From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S



Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
> 
>   

Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 

 




Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
$6,000 on an outdated design?


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www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

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Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Tony Estep <estept...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

===
As all the others have pointed out, the problem here has nothing to do with
LP-Pan. Using NaP3, for example, you can have a birdie-free display of
96Khz on either side, if your sound card is up to it and you set up the
software properly. Having tried both setups extensively, I can assure you
that you will get far superior performance from the combo of LP-Pan and
NaP3 than you will get from a Flex. It also is perfectly possible if you
know what you're doing to run NaP3 and Skimmer simultaneously.

Tony KT0NY

[pjd] Except I don't really care about seeing a waterfall or having yet
*another* piece of software (NaP3) open unless it's absolutely required.
What I want is a box in the background to do the decoding of ~100 kHz worth
of signals at the bottom of the band my K3S is tuned to, feed the output of
that box into Skimmer and have the callsigns displayed on the N1MM+ bandmap
during contests. As I indicated earlier, I'm behind a mountain to Europe and
roughly half the RBN spots that get sent to my station aren't copyable or
aren't there, etc. A live local Skimmer will tell me what is coming to my
antenna and will save me time when I'm S, going only to known, copied
callsigns.

For finding the winning callsigns in a DXpedition pileup, just looking at
the Skimmer interface ought to be able to do that for me, no? I don't see
what NaP3 brings to the table in that regard. 

My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A,
the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. Find
the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything from
about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the birdies/mirror
images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I
would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer turned
out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this
spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down,
rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup was
insane.

I'm quite intrigued by the SDRplay box, and if anybody's using one I'd be
most grateful if they could contact me directly. If that can give me the
result I'm looking for (decoding the bottom of the currently tuned band),
then that's my next purchase.

Thanks again to everyone for your help. 

73,
Peter, W2IRT

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:19:55 -0400
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" 

If you expect 100 KHz (more than 22 KHz) with CW Skimmer you will need
to split the receive antenna loop and feed a true SDR (e.g., SDR I/Q, 
Perseus, QSR1, etc or equivalent) tuned to the bottom of the active
band.  See the CW skimmer documentation - any configuration that feeds
skimmer from the IF and tracks the IF offset is limited to 22 KHz (the
operating frequency +/- 11 KHz).
[pjd] 
[pjd] Yes, that was my understanding (after having bought the LP-PAN, of
course). Is there such a thing as an easily affordable "True SDR"? I priced
out the Perseus and it's far out of my ballpark, and the SDR I/Q is no
longer being made.

 >>The "direct" receiver configuration does not require/use microHAM
Router.  Other software is used to link logging software and skimmer.

[pjd] I'm not sure what you mean by that. Can you please elaborate a little?
I've tried the LP-Bridge and a NaP3 and that just complicates things far
worse. I'm after "dirt simple" and "easy to configure." The last thing I
want is for something to get messed up 10 minutes into CQWW-CW and I'm out
of the game until I can troubleshoot it. I'm looking for a one-box solution
if such a thing exists, set it (document it) and forget it, and it just
works whenever N1MM+ is running, or when I'm using DX Labs.

I am able to make it work Skimmer work with DX Labs Commander, but, again,
subject to the IF limitations that I only realized existed after having
bought it.

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:30:27 -0700
From: Wes Stewart <wes_n...@triconet.org>
My eyes glaze over at the thought of Skimmer, but I heartily agree with Don 
about LP-Bridge.  I use it with my K3s and run my logging program (DXBase), 
SpectraVue (runs SDR-IQ as bandscope), MMTTY, FLDIGI, N1MM, etc.  LP-Bridge
will 
also start all of these programs automatically when executed.

[pjd] I tried LP-Bridge but it was conflicting with something else in the
system, and I'm guessing it was Router. It would just never open any defined
ports, or if it did, it would do it once but never again afterwards until I
shut the system down and restarted. Too much hassle. I like the KISS
principle and all that extra overhead was making my head spin.

[pjd] There are two big advantages with Skimmer for me: 1), in contests, I
can see what my antenna can hear, not what a massive cluster node can hear.
I'm behind a mountain to Europe and only have a single 70' tower and a
tribander, and even with the K3S, I can only hear about 50-60% of the spots
on the local node. I can't run in CW, so while I'm S, I can keep my
"rate" going if I can definitively see who's where, and not pausing to
listen on frequencies that are empty, or missing unspotted calls. 2), in
DXing, I want to see the pileup and know exactly where to drop my call in
after the last guy is giving his report. I don't enjoy snarling bedlam and
the sooner I can get in, work the guy and get out again, the happier I am.


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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:33:25 -0700
From: Wes Stewart <wes_n...@triconet.org>

Why?  And I'm not being factious, I really would like to know the reasons.

  On 9/2/2016 11:01 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
> Hello all,
> With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather
than
> the K3,

[pjd] They're younger computer-oriented guys, and having the ability to
monitor multiple bands at the same time (and for one of the, doing SO2R with
one radio). I gotta admit, this intrigues the hell out of me. Plus it's all
IP controlled, so no need for a rat's nest behind the radio, and no need for
boxes like the MicroHam; everything is controlled via software and IP. Plus
according to them, it's far easier to remote than the K3, but I'm not
finding any problem with Remotehams to be honest.

Still all in all, I'm extremely intrigued by having one box to do everything
in the station, especially multiple panadapters built in, SO2R in a box, the
ability to monitor and skim several bands at once, keep on RX on 6m JT-65 at
all times regardless of what else the radio is doing, etc.  I really fell in
love with my K3S when I bought it last year and I'm slowly learning to use
it, but I have to wonder if I made the right choice when I read their posts
about having a pure SDR solution, the ease of setup, etc. I am too old,
infirm and poor to travel so I don't need a DXpeditioner's Dream, but rather
a DXer/Contester's ultimate weapon. 

I will probably keep the K3S, but I'm still not convinced it's the right
tool for what I need to do and my style of operating. I just don't know
enough about modern radios to make an informed decision to be honest.

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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

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-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

Pete,

I think you are mixing too many things together, and they are not
necessarily related.
Let me try to 'unravel the ball of twine' for you.

The birdies/mirror images you encountered are not the fault of LP-Pan, but
instead related to either your soundcard cables or the capability of the
Panadapter display software that you were using.

[pjd] I have tried four different sound cards on a very powerful PC (i7/32GB
RAM/SSD that has tons of processor, drive and RAM headroom, with virtually
nothing running), the birdies are identical with all the different sound
cards. I stuck with the Xonar U5. I've been over the level settings a
hundred times and that's not the issue. I believe I read somewhere that an
xtal oscillator inside the LP is the cause. There is nothing I can do to fix
it.


 >>Since you now have the P3 and are apparently happy with it for the
Panadapter display,  I suggest you continue to use it.
 >>BUT,  you cannot display Skimmer on the P3.
[pjd] I never did. I use the IF OUT from the K3S backplane to the IF IN on
the P3, then use the IF OUT from the P3 (setting the switch on the back to
open that port up) to feed into the LP-PAN.

[pjd] >>Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T
adapter).
[pjd] See above.

Connect the LP-Pan I/Q outputs to your computer soundcard and load 
Skimmer on your computer.Configure CW Skimmer to use that soundcard 
and it will display whatever is within it's "hearing range".  The document
at http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf may be helpful
with your setup.

[pjd] Yes, this was all done when I bought the LP-PAN and Skimmer. It IS
working as best it can, but it cannot do what I need it to do, and that's
why I'm posting here--unless I've completely misunderstood the LP-PAN
limitations. That device seems to only allow me to see something like 22 kHz
on either side of my tuned frequency. If I'm working at 14.022, that's
great. I can see 14.000 to 12.044. If I'm S at 14.095 I'm kinda hosed.

I reiterate, I need to be able to see then entire CW sub-band (or as much as
possible), from 14.000 to 14.100 at least. I'd be good with a 96 kHz spread
(14.0-14.096), INDEPENDENT of where my 2nd VFO is tuned. I do not believe
LP-PAN can achieve this desired goal, but again, I could be mistaken. 

 >>Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter
applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those.
[pjd] That's good, because I don't' want to run any of those. I just want
the decoded calls to show up on my bandmap.

If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control
applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 (in
addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 at the
same time.  Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual ports on your
PC.  IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, but all your
applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk instead to their own
LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects directly to the K3.

[pjd] LP- Bridge will not work on my system, period. I've tried for months
to make it play and it just won't. It's also probably not necessary for what
I want to do. I get failure after failure, and I'm 99% sure it's conflicting
with MicroHam Router (software I desperately wish I could dispense with
forever, but I can't achieve half the functionality of my station without a
MicroKeyer-II).


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[Elecraft] Diversity RX question

[Peter W2IRT]

So, I'm wondering if I will be able to use Diversity RX on my K3S given my
antenna situation. At the moment I have ANT-1 connected to my remote antenna
switch at the tower, which selects 10-160m. ANT-2 is a 6m Yagi on a separate
tower, and a K9AY loop is connected via BNC to the RX antenna port on the
K3S. Those are all the antennas I possess, and my understanding is that I
need another dedicated antenna for diversity. Is there any way I can use
what I have to get diversity and still retain use of the RX antenna port
feature for the lowbands? If not, what are most people using for diversity?
Is this something that's used on all bands or is it a predominantly lowband
feature (which is where I need the most CW RX help given my very noisy QTH)?

Thanks in advance.
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Peter, W2IRT



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[Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

Hello all,
With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than
the K3, I'm finding I'm at a rather huge disadvantage in terms of CW
operation, and that's Skimmer, which is an absolute game-changer for
everybody who's running it. I just can't figure out how to make it work
acceptably well with the K3S/P3 combination I have here.

I went the LP-PAN route and the birdies/mirror images make that device
wholly unsuitable for me, so I'm back to square one. I don't want to spend
another small fortune on interface boxes, but something better than LP-PAN
is clearly the answer. I just don't know what it is, what to do once I buy
it, or anything else. The big limitation I have is whatever devices that I
will need to buy will also have to play well with MicroHam Router software,
and in the past that has left my head spinning. This stuff is SO far beyond
my understanding I feel as if I've been thrown into the deep end of the pool
without knowing how to swim.

Working backwards, let's say the required end result is to have the CW
portion of whichever band I'm on skimmed and calls displayed on my bandmap
in either N1MM+ or DX Labs' Commander. Not 22kHz worth of calls relative to
my operating frequency, but everything, from .000 to .100 and maybe beyond.
If I'm running in CQWW or ARRL-CW, I'm less impressed with what the cluster
is showing me and would rather rely more heavily on what my own antenna is
picking up.

I have only two antenna feeds on the property: Whatever's selected on the
tower or a K9AY loop connected to the RX-in line on the back of the K3S. I
don't' have a separate antenna to feed another receiver so I guess the idea
is to take signal off the IF from the P3 out, yes? Like I said, I'm really
very old-school and I need help getting up to speed with all this stuff. I
migrated from a Mark V last year and the learning curve on the K3S is still
as steep as Mt. Everest for me. Any help greatly appreciated,
please'n'thanks!

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73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT

 

S/N 10023

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

My K3S, S/N 10023, arrived a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier with
it. Never had an original K3, but the receive audio is good and filtering
with the matched pair of 400s and the 250 in the main VFO was stunning
during the IARU contest. I've only played a little bit on 6m and the preamp
does a good job, I guess, but I'm not a big 6m guy to begin with. I have a
very noisy amp (Ameritron AL-1200) that sounds like a jet engine. The K3S's
noise gate makes phone operation so much better. I'm using an HC-5 boom mic
element and without any TX audio EQ, MIC set to 35 (real panel, high) and
compression of 12 to 15 I'm getting superb audio reports on-air. True
plug-and-play in that department. CW TX is great, receive is like nothing
I've ever experienced before (in a *very* good way) and the decode works OK
on strong signals for when the other op is just a bit too fast for my ears.



Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
W2KJ
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 5:02 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S

Howdy Gang:

I wonder if anyone has received a new K3S yet??

Would certainly appreciate any comments as to performance, receive audio
quality, new preamps, etc, etc.

Many thanks for any info.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am
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