Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Phil Kane]

On 4/27/2021 7:53 PM, neil weisenfeld wrote:


I couldn’t tell if you wanted native Bluetooth or just something to connect to 
a Bluetooth dongle.


I originally wanted a "one box" solution - a BT "receiver" and 
auxiliary-channel input and low-level output to feed my amplified 
speakers.  After a search - with thanks to all who responded - I did not 
find one.


My options are:

Door Number One - two boxes - BT "receiver" and mixer feeding my 
amplified speakers.


Door Number Two - BT "receiver" and another set of amplified speakers.

Door Number Three - BT "receiver" and simple 10 dB resistor matrix 
feeding existing amplified speakers.


Door Number Four - forget about  the BT "receiver" and live with the 
sound BT from the HT into my hearing aids and the sound from the 
computer feeding the existing amplified speakers.  One or two less boxes 
on the crowded desktop.


Right now Door Number Four sound the easiest.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.  Project Closed.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[neil weisenfeld]

I couldn’t tell if you wanted native Bluetooth or just something to connect to 
a Bluetooth dongle.

I have a behringer micro mix mx400 mixer and the matching ha400 mini amp. So I 
can mix in four inputs and independently control four outputs.  And they run 
off 12V, so it all gets powered off of my main power supply.

Amazon has them, but I think that they were cheaper from guitar center.  

Neil 





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> On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd still prefer the Mackie Mix5.Same price, 1-day free shipping... more 
> features, and it's just a mixer, not an interface.  And it has a metal 
> chassis.
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: SteveL 
> To: k2...@arrl.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
> 
> Search “bluetooth mixer” on Amazon - there are several possibilities 
> depending on the specific details of your application.
> 
> One such example:
> https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/
>  
> <https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/>
> 
> Steve
> aa8af
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane  wrote:
>> 
>> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
>> 
>> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
>> low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection 
>> to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on 
>> the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do 
>> that job except that they don't have a second input.  I'm not in any shape 
>> to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Raymond Sills via Elecraft]

I'd still prefer the Mackie Mix5.    Same price, 1-day free shipping... more 
features, and it's just a mixer, not an interface.  And it has a metal chassis.
73 de Ray    
K2ULR

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

Search “bluetooth mixer” on Amazon - there are several possibilities depending 
on the specific details of your application.

One such example:
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/>

Steve
aa8af

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane  wrote:
> 
> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
> 
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
> low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection to 
> my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on the 
> computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do that 
> job except that they don't have a second input.  I'm not in any shape to 
> build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[SteveL]

Search “bluetooth mixer” on Amazon - there are several possibilities depending 
on the specific details of your application.

One such example:
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/
 


Steve
aa8af

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane  wrote:
> 
> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
> 
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
> low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection to 
> my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on the 
> computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do that 
> job except that they don't have a second input.  I'm not in any shape to 
> build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Jim Brown]

On 4/26/2021 7:06 AM, Phil Kane wrote:

I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:


Look at Radio Design Labs for something new, or used products from 
Tascam, Mackie, or Yamaha. Also Rane for versions of their products 
built AFTER about 1998 -- in 1995, they made running changes to fix 
their Pin One Problems. They were and are a very good company -- one of 
their engineers was on the initial AES Papers session (led by Neil Muncy 
and Bill Whitlock) in Nov '94 which exposed the Pin One Problem. Their 
engineer did a detailed mea culpa, and what they were doing to fix it.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Phil,

You may want to check out the Behringer mixers even though they may have 
more inputs than you need.  I don't know if any of the inputs support 
Bluetooth natively.

They are low in price and work well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2021 10:06 AM, Phil Kane wrote:

Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?

I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth 
connection to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that 
do a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth 
"receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a 
second input.  I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be 
plug-and-play.


Any ideas?



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Phil Kane]

Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?

I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth 
connection to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do 
a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth 
"receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a second 
input.  I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.


Any ideas?

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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[Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Bob McGraw]

I have my headset with mike plugged into the rear PHONES and MIC, the 
headphones plugged into the front PHONES jack, and my boom mike 
connected to the MIC connector.  Plus my external speakers plugged into 
the rear SPKRS jack.    The manual explains how to do this so all works 
as expected.    See page 22, 55, and 64 of the manual.


73

Bob, K4TAX



On 4/24/2021 8:50 AM, NJMike wrote:


Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?


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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain 
Radio ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the 
ComSpeakers.  Great in all respects.


73,
Don W3FPR

The original poster asked about plugging in both the speakers and 
headphones into the rear jacks.
Yes - I leave the headphones live at all times and toggle the SPKR + 
PHONES menu to use the speakers - no plugging/unplugging.


73,
Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Jim Brown]

On 4/24/2021 8:50 AM, NJMike wrote:

Since I’m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?


You did study the K3S manual, didn't you?

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Yes, They call it ComSpkr and it is priced at $39.95.
It is a pair of "computer" speakers, but it is shielded so it does not 
buzz when RF is present.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/24/2021 11:50 AM, NJMike wrote:

Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is
#58410-950?

Since I’m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?

I’m sure there must be a Config menu change also.

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Walter Underwood]

The COMspkr is amplified, which you don’t need with the K3.

I use the Pyle cubes with my KX3 (and a small audio amp). They are fine. 
Currently $28.28 on Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MCGF1O/

Another option would be the old Radio Shack AV speakers with the cast aluminum 
cabinets. I have a
single Optimus PRO-X44AV for my Lowe HF-150, I should probable get a pair for 
the KX3. Similar 
speakers are the Optimus 77, the Minimus 7, and so on.

wunder
K6WRU
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CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 8:50 AM, NJMike  wrote:
> 
> Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
> #58410-950?
> 
> Since I’m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
> into the rear jack?
> 
> I’m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[NJMike]

Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
#58410-950?

Since I’m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?

I’m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Absolutely, I've used a pair with each of my K3(s) for several years.
They replaced larger "bookshelf" speakers with no loss in quality.
The little Pyle do not have the low end of the larger "bookshelf"
speakers, the spectrum below 200 Hz or so is not something that is
missed for "communications" audio.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-24 10:14 AM, Buck wrote:
If you don't care for amplified speakers, the Pyle 3" Mini Cubes are 
excellent.  Less than $30 a pair online.


k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Buck]

If you don't care for amplified speakers, the Pyle 3" Mini Cubes are 
excellent.  Less than $30 a pair online.


k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/23/2021 7:23 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

Don, you’re right on about those West Mountain Com Speakers.  I’ve had a pair 
on my K3S since day one and I wouldn’t trade them for anything.

My wife got me a second pair and I use them with my KX2 when I’m operating on 
my back deck.  Sure makes the KX2’s receiver sound super good.

Jim, W0EB

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On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain Radio 
ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the ComSpeakers.  
Great in all respects.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" 
square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio (chopped lows, peaked 
mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the K3 *once you find a 
matching output pair* (they can vary in output by several dB).  Estate sales, swap 
meets and radio shop closures are prime spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck 
yeah, snag it and bag it!).

Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" cubed) have 
very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile environment.  Before RS 
went out of business the price was jacked up to about $60 (from $10) so swap meet 
prices may vary.

I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually more than 
a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful that they don't 
last long (and are mono with dual receivers).

You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your radio 
esthetics should your budget allow it.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[NJMike]

Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
#58410-950?

Since I’m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?

I’m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[ke9uw]

I bought a couple of 6X9 Jensen speakers with whizzer cones at Best Buy years
ago along with some rectangular fuzzy boxes that are designed to mount them.
These speakers used to be the ones that were the rear seat speaker in the GM
cars in the 60's. They sound great and I use them wired as stereo on the K3.
Turning the AFX on sounds great too.



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Jim Sheldon]

Don, you’re right on about those West Mountain Com Speakers.  I’ve had a pair 
on my K3S since day one and I wouldn’t trade them for anything.  

My wife got me a second pair and I use them with my KX2 when I’m operating on 
my back deck.  Sure makes the KX2’s receiver sound super good.

Jim, W0EB

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain 
> Radio ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
> My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the 
> ComSpeakers.  Great in all respects.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
>> Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" 
>> square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio (chopped 
>> lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the K3 
>> *once you find a matching output pair* (they can vary in output by several 
>> dB).  Estate sales, swap meets and radio shop closures are prime spots to 
>> find them; often $10 each (oh heck yeah, snag it and bag it!).
>> 
>> Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" cubed) 
>> have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile environment.  
>> Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up to about $60 (from 
>> $10) so swap meet prices may vary.
>> 
>> I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually more 
>> than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful that they 
>> don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).
>> 
>> You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your radio 
>> esthetics should your budget allow it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain 
Radio ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the 
ComSpeakers.  Great in all respects.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers 
(~5" square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio 
(chopped lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound 
awesome on the K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can 
vary in output by several dB).  Estate sales, swap meets and radio 
shop closures are prime spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck 
yeah, snag it and bag it!).


Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" 
cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile 
environment.  Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up 
to about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.


I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually 
more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be 
useful that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).


You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your 
radio esthetics should your budget allow it.


73,
Rick NK7I



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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Rick Bates, NK7I]

Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" 
square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio (chopped 
lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the 
K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can vary in output by 
several dB).  Estate sales, swap meets and radio shop closures are prime 
spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck yeah, snag it and bag it!).


Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" 
cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile 
environment.  Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up to 
about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.


I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually 
more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful 
that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).


You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your 
radio esthetics should your budget allow it.


73,
Rick NK7I

On 4/23/2021 12:52 PM, George Thornton wrote:

Which radio?

With respect to the K3 I would recommend use of external speakers.   They can 
improve comfort for longer listening periods.

I am a personal fan of the Sounds Sweet communications speakers.  Unfortunately 
although the web page remains open they have not been selling them for years..  
If you can find them used I would grab a pair.

I don't know that replacing the internal speaker would be worth the trouble.



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Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?

Steve
KA4FOX

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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[George Thornton]

Which radio?

With respect to the K3 I would recommend use of external speakers.   They can 
improve comfort for longer listening periods.

I am a personal fan of the Sounds Sweet communications speakers.  Unfortunately 
although the web page remains open they have not been selling them for years..  
If you can find them used I would grab a pair.

I don't know that replacing the internal speaker would be worth the trouble.



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Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?

Steve
KA4FOX
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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Get a replacement from Elecraft.
Which radio?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2021 3:27 PM, Steve Fox wrote:

Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?




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[Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

[Steve Fox]

Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?

Steve
KA4FOX
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