[Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-25 Thread WILLIAM DAVIS
Don't tell them that the wiring in the wall is most likely romex that costs less than $1.00 a foot. Bruce AC8BT You have got to be kidding me: http://www.revolutionpower.com/p/Oyaide+Li50EXs+Power+Cable+1.8m/151/ http://www.revolutionpower.com/p/Oyaide+Tunami+GPX-R+004+Power+Cable/274/

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-25 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
A good power cord is like the onramp to a freeway. It gives the electrons a chance to get out of stop-and-go traffic and flow smoothly and quickly into the device being powered. The pot-holes on the surface street (romex) aren't important once the smooth flow of electrons is re-established.

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-24 Thread Rich Heineck
-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all the difference

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-24 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
The audio distortion of the K3... One can laugh about this, but let us face it. There was a lot of laughter about the reported audio artifacts coming from the first few /thousand/ K3's. At first it was denied by many. It took quite a while until people were convinced that it realy was a

[Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Don Putnick
How much of the audio quality described in the recent threads can be attributed to the audio circuit distortion, as reported by Rob Sherwood at this year's Dayton Contest Academy? The K3 audio section starts around 41:40 into the video.

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Scott Manthe
On 7/23/13 11:39 AM, Don Putnick wrote: How much of the audio quality described in the recent threads can be attributed to the audio circuit distortion, as reported by Rob Sherwood at this year's Dayton Contest Academy? The K3 audio section starts around 41:40 into the video.

[Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Don Putnick
I watched the presentation again. Yes, Rob said the K3 was fixed in 2008. He also said the fix wasn't as good as he'd like. It didn't compete with the 0.3% distortion of the Icom 756 Pro III. So if you look at the distortion products at 44:20, would the average amateur (like me) be able to hear

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Scott Manthe
Given that a decent stereo has a total harmonic distortion of something less than .05 percent, you might be able to hear those distortion products, but what would that mean? Most amateur communication is done surrounded by noise or immersed in noise, with imperfect signals, adjusted

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Don Putnick don.n...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the presentation again. Yes, Rob said the K3 was fixed in 2008. He also said the fix wasn't as good as he'd like. It didn't compete with the 0.3% distortion of the Icom 756 Pro III. So if you look at the distortion products at 44:20,

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Are you one of those guys who can hear the difference in speaker wire? I had a guy working for me who was a musician and audiophile who claimed he could tell the difference. I referred him to Bob Pease. On 7/23/2013 1:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Don Putnick don.n...@earthlink.net wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Wes (N7WS) wrote: Are you one of those guys who can hear the difference in speaker wire? Don't I wish. I had a guy working for me who was a musician and audiophile who claimed he could tell the difference. I referred him to Bob Pease. If you find another one, refer him to us. We'll give

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Doug Person
I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all the difference. He also claimed that vinyl was vastly superior to CD's. I told him he had a wonderful imagination. The very best and cleanest vinyl with a radial tracking arm turntable and a top of the line cartridge

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread wb4jfi
) Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion Are you one of those guys who can hear the difference in speaker wire? I had a guy working for me who was a musician and audiophile who claimed he could tell the difference. I

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all the difference. He also claimed that vinyl was vastly superior to CD's. I told him he had a wonderful imagination. The very best and cleanest vinyl with a radial tracking arm turntable

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Brian Hemmis
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Brian Hemmis bhem...@mac.com wrote: Now they are even selling high end FUSES for your audio gear ! PT Barnum was right ... Brian K3USC One of my best memories is from when I was about 9 years old and first heard a local radio station using nothing but a germanium diode and a high-Z

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread George Danner
...@triconet.org Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion Wes (N7WS) wrote: Are you one of those guys who can hear the difference in speaker wire? Don't I wish. I had a guy working for me who was a musician and audiophile who claimed he could tell

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Harlan
Wayne The radio wouldn't work unless you were grounded... ;) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: Brian Hemmis bhem...@mac.com wrote: Now they are even selling high end FUSES for your audio gear ! PT Barnum was right ... Brian K3USC One of

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wes (N7WS)
on objective data. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I once wired

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Like me, he's retired now and a he's one of group of we retirees who get together once a month for lunch. I'll pass along your offer. On 7/23/2013 2:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Wes (N7WS) wrote: Are you one of those guys who can hear the difference in speaker wire? Don't I wish. I had

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Frank Precissi
[mailto:elecraft-bounces@**mailman.qth.netelecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread David Gilbert
] Audio circuit distortion I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8. He claimed it made all the difference. He also claimed that vinyl was vastly superior to CD's. I told him he had a wonderful imagination. The very best and cleanest vinyl with a radial tracking arm turntable and a top

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread David Christ
I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. How ignorant their customers must be. I really enjoyed the 4 for $115 covers for your wall outlets that would keep RFI out of the wiring. Wonder if they would cure RF feedback :-). So much for the laws of physics.

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Goldtr8 (KD8NNU)
I think the rain and fog has gone to their heads. LOL ~73 Don KD8NNU -.- -.. ---.. -. -. ..- -Original Message- From: David Christ Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:39 PM To: Elecraft Group Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion I haven't laughed so hard in a long time

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread K0TNT
I had an industrial electronics distributor swear to me that his speaker cables needed to be broken in, sounded too bright until they had been used for a week. They also had to be very large because of the AC Skin Effect. Thin wires just didn't sound good. One morning, as a joke, I came into

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread David Gilbert
So very true. Three or four years ago a midwest ham called me during the NAQP SSB contest with an almost unreadable S9+10 signal. I managed to decipher enough of his callsign to return to him, and I told him he needed to back off his mic gain. He did and it helped, and by the time I got

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread David Gilbert
Or how about this. You can buy mattresses with magnets installed in them for magneto-therapy while you sleep, and you can also buy totally non-ferrous mattresses (at outrageous prices) so that they won't harm your health by distorting the earth's natural magnetic field. No wonder the

[Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Don Putnick
To the three of you who took my question seriously, thank you for your answers. To the rest, you're welcome for the opportunity to have some fun. 73 Don NA6Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/23/2013 12:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote: It didn't compete with the 0.3% distortion of the Icom 756 Pro III. Single numbers like this are quite inadequate to describe distortion. There are MANY kinds, and many manifestations. THD is a particularly poor metric for non-linearity, because some