Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:29:35 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY requirements which the FCC does not. EU requires that you STATE the level of susceptibility. That's all. FCC has no requirements with respect to susceptibility. 73, Jim K9YC Vice Chair, AES

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-26 Thread Stewart Baker
All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is enforcing the EMC legislation. Maybe Ireland is more fortunate. 73 Stewart G3RXQ Member RSGB EMC Committee On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0100, Brendan Minish wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: However, I believe

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-26 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Stewart Baker wrote: All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is enforcing the EMC legislation. It's true that nobody is enforcing it effectively against grey imports. On the other hand, those are only a small minority of sales. The vast majority of sales come from responsible

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-26 Thread Stewart Baker
Sorry Ian, not so. If you had read the EMC column in RadCom you will see that complaints have been lodged with Ofcom by the RSGB EMCC with regard to computer SM PSU's. These are manufactured in China, fully CE marked, and sold through at least 3 well known electronic/computer outlets. In all

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedhttp://www.hilberling.de/news/news.htm Thank goodness for Wayne Eric! Translation by Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ The manufacture of the PT-8000 product line has been discontinued. Due to the constant obstacles which we

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread Jon K Hellan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like they didn't piece off the right bureaucrats. It must take some serious bakshish to get a new product through that multi-country regulatory maze. Well, products don't need certification at all in the EU/EEA, actually. They do need a declaration of

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
This PT-8000 must have cost Hilberling a few million euro at least. Three stands at the big Friedrichshafen show (I am sure they were there in 2006), development and salaries and... I am sure Hilberling's company can afford this, it has a very high reputation and he holds some very fine

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread G3MLO
I also think that when you take a long hard look at the market for such a high price transceiver, given the mixed reception given to other manufacturers high end offerings, reality kicked in, also I guess the success of the K3 along with Rob Sherwood's measurements would make any

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread Alan Bloom
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:34, Jon K Hellan wrote: I do not believe the requirements are more onerous in Europe than in the U.S. I believe that's more-or-less true for radiated and conducted EMISSIONS. However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY requirements which the FCC does not. That

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread Brendan Minish
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY requirements which the FCC does not. That is a good thing for radio amateurs, or anyone who operates a transmitter. In Europe we do have ingress limits for consumer equipment and indeed they

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-25 Thread Brett Howard
Its also quite nice that CE requires you to pass some ESD requirements as well... On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 01:45 +0100, Brendan Minish wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY requirements which the FCC does not. That is a

[Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-24 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
http://www.hilberling.de/news/news.htm Thank goodness for Wayne Eric! Translation by Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ The manufacture of the PT-8000 product line has been discontinued. Due to the constant obstacles which we must overcome in ensuring compliance with EU-wide governmental regulations imposed

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-24 Thread AD6XY
Translated from English. We could not sell enough at the price it cost to remain viable. Mike Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: http://www.hilberling.de/news/news.htm Thank goodness for Wayne Eric! Translation by Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ The manufacture of the PT-8000 product line has been

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-24 Thread drewko1
Sounds like they didn't piece off the right bureaucrats. It must take some serious bakshish to get a new product through that multi-country regulatory maze. 73, Drew AF2Z On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:55:24 +0200, Simon Brown, HB9DRV wrote: http://www.hilberling.de/news/news.htm Translation by Adam

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.

2008-07-24 Thread Brett Howard
I'm glad to hear some people who understand this!!! I work in a company where we make bar code scanners which have scales in them. Releasing an electronic device world wide is hard enough but dealing with weights and measures in all of these countries is a whole different issue. We're recently