Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-02-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
David, Yes, you need the 6kHz filter for ESSB. The 2.8kHz filter will strip it down to 2.8kHz. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/29/2016 8:07 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: Am I correct that you do not achieve 4.0 kHz ESSB (widest TX with the K3S) without selecting the 6.0 kHz crystal filter for SSB TX? Just

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-02-01 Thread Barry N1EU
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Receive BW on AM will go to 5.0 kHz and on SSB 4.0 kHz. > Unlike AM, receive bandwidth will never go to 4KHz in ssb. For some unknown reason, the receive bandwdith in ssb is restricted to about 3300Hz. My

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-02-01 Thread Wayne Burdick
I'll look into this later today. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 1, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Barry N1EU wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX > wrote: > >> >> Receive BW on AM will go to 5.0 kHz and on SSB 4.0 kHz. >> > > Unlike AM, receive

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-01-29 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Using the K3 Utility, in checking the Filter Config list, while I do have the 6.0 kHz filter installed, I must select the 2.7 kHz or 2.8 kHz for CW and SSB transmit. Then from the CONFIG menu ESSB I can select up to 4.0 kHz bandwidth. Receive BW on AM will go to 5.0 kHz and on SSB 4.0 kHz.

[Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-01-29 Thread David Ahrendts
Am I correct that you do not achieve 4.0 kHz ESSB (widest TX with the K3S) without selecting the 6.0 kHz crystal filter for SSB TX? Just want your affirmation. :—) David A. KK6DA, LA David Ahrendts davidahren...@me.com __

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter

2016-01-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 1/29/2016 8:40 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Using the K3 Utility, in checking the Filter Config list, while I do have the 6.0 kHz filter installed, I must select the 2.7 kHz or 2.8 kHz for CW and SSB transmit. > > Then from the CONFIG menu ESSB I can select up to 4.0 kHz bandwidth. The K3

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-19 Thread Gerry leary
Sent from my iPhone this time On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Your intuition is correct, David. The same power in a narrower bandwidth results in a higher spectral power density -- more watts per Hertz, so to speak. Not to mention that at the

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)
It's even kHz, with a lower case k, gentlemen... mHz (yes millihertz!), Hz, kHz, MHz, GHz, THz Op 17-11-14 om 19:29 schreef Phil Wheeler: I think you meant KHz, not MHz, David :-) __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread david Moes
Not sure if it was you and I cant even remember what band 40 I think, but during the contest I did run across what appeared to be a rather wide ssb signal typical of ESSB, rag chewing The audio was great sounding a little reminiscent of some the AM nets on 40m I would think that it

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Phil Wheeler
Actually, I still prefer kc, Peter (or was there a Mr. Cycle)?:-) Phil W7OX On 11/18/14 12:34 AM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) wrote: It's even kHz, with a lower case k, gentlemen... mHz (yes millihertz!), Hz, kHz, MHz, GHz, THz Op 17-11-14 om 19:29 schreef Phil Wheeler: I think you meant KHz,

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Richard Gillingham
If Hertz had been named Snodgrass, would we be talking Kilo-Snods?  73 Gil, W1RG End of thread, Eric, Promise… From: Phil Wheeler Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎18‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎29‎ ‎AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Actually, I still prefer kc, Peter (or was there a Mr. Cycle)?:-)

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)
It wasn't about Mr. Hertz it was about the kilo that consistently is written by a lot of folks with an upper case K, what I tried to focus on. I suppose everyone knows why Hertz was given to the cycles per second Phil was referring to...:-) Op 18-11-14 om 18:04 schreef Richard Gillingham: If

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Fred Jensen
So, why is that? Most of the abbreviations for metric [i.e. SI] prefixes with positive exponents are upper-case ... M [mega], G [giga], T [tera], P [peta], X [exa], Z [zetta], Y [yotta]. *All* of the abbreviations for prefixes denoting negative exponents are lower-case ... d [deci], c

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-18 Thread Walter Underwood
Lower case for kilo and hecto might have been chosen to avoid collisions with fundamental and derived units: K is Kelvin, H is Henries. Of course, micro collides with m (meters), but Mega was already taken. Just a guess. I’m hoping we never have to deal with a TT (teraTesla). Well, that might

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB - SI Rag Chew (sic)

2014-11-18 Thread r j
*k*, kilo (prefix) *K, kelvin* (degree name), (symbol) °K, before 1967 *degree Kelvin*, (Kelvin - person's surname) On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: So, why is that? Most of the abbreviations for metric [i.e. SI] prefixes with positive exponents are

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB - SI Rag Chew (sic)

2014-11-18 Thread norrislawfirm2
@mailman.qth.net /divdivSubject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB - SI Rag Chew (sic) /divdiv /div*k*, kilo (prefix) *K, kelvin* (degree name), (symbol) °K, before 1967 *degree Kelvin*, (Kelvin - person's surname) On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: So, why is that? Most

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB - SI Rag Chew (sic)

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)
Well Eric, Kelvin is an absolute number, so there is no less than zero whereas Celsius is a relative number. That's why. Op 19-11-14 om 08:16 schreef norrislawfirm2: To pick nits, it isn't degrees Kelvin it's just Kelvin or Kelvins. I don't know why. 73 Eric WD6DBM

[Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread David Ahrendts
Experimented yesterday for a few minutes with ESSB (carefully avoiding weekend contesters), and it raised a fundamental question: As bandwidth is broadened, is effective radiated power diluted? In other words, will 500 watts with a 2.6MHz signal be more effective (stronger, punchier, more DBs

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Phil Wheeler
I think you meant KHz, not MHz, David :-) My thinking is that the narrower communications quality signal would be more effective. How did you find 4KHz with none of those contesters on it? Incredible accomplishment! 73, Phil W7OX On 11/17/14 10:22 AM, David Ahrendts wrote: Experimented

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread David Ahrendts
Yes, KHz, of course. Didn’t have the courage to consume 4KHz :—) but I did answer the Elecraft net call at 1800z at 3KHz. On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote: I think you meant KHz, not MHz, David :-) My thinking is that the narrower communications quality

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon,11/17/2014 10:22 AM, David Ahrendts wrote: In other words, will 500 watts with a 2.6MHz signal be more effective (stronger, punchier, more DBs transmitted) than 500 watts with a 4MHz ESSB signal? Change those MHz to kHz. :) The answer is YES, MUCH stronger and punchier, more dB

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Al Lorona
Your intuition is correct, David. The same power in a narrower bandwidth results in a higher spectral power density -- more watts per Hertz, so to speak. Not to mention that at the receiving end, the operator can narrow his bandwidth which lowers the noise floor that he hears underneath you.

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread David Ahrendts
Well put, Al. Thank you. More watts per Hertz! On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Your intuition is correct, David. The same power in a narrower bandwidth results in a higher spectral power density -- more watts per Hertz, so to speak. Not to mention that

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Al Lorona
I'm glad K9YC answered your question. If you heard Jim's signal during the SS this weekend then you got to hear what the shaping he is describing sounded like. His audio was very piercing but clean. It's not what I would want to hear during a long ragchew with him, but his purpose was to

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Another way to look at this is that our ear is most sensitive to frequencies around 2 kHz (roughly) and so you really want to put as much of your power in that region as you can. In this way, you're using the response of the other op's ear to your advantage. Not entirely ... equal loudness

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Phil Wheeler
On 11/17/14 12:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Another way to look at this is that our ear is most sensitive to frequencies around 2 kHz (roughly) and so you really want to put as much of your power in that region as you can. In this way, you're using the response of the other op's ear

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
but I still don't like appreciate it: Big hog of bandwidth, IMO. And it's so easily recognizable on my P3 or PX3. Of course, ESSB is not appropriate to contest environments or crowded bands in general. (Although contesting in the aggregate is a far worse band hog than 1 or 2 ESSB QSOs).

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
ESSB has it’s place, just like every other mode. Not every mode has a place on every band. ESSB has no place on any band where wideband FM is not permitted due to the bandwidth. Amateur radio is a communications service, not a broadcast service and 2.7 KHz is all that is necessary for clean

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks, This list is not the place to debate where ESSB should, or should not, be allowed, or to criticize those who use it. Please take this portion of the thread to another location. Thread closed. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com On 11/17/2014 1:59 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2014-11-17 Thread Goldtr8 (KD8NNU)
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB I'm glad K9YC answered your question. If you heard Jim's signal during the SS this weekend then you got to hear what the shaping he is describing sounded like. His audio was very piercing but clean. It's not what I would want to hear during a long ragchew with him

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-28 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Rich, Yes, you are right. If you view the transmitter and receiver as a path along which the ESSB transmitter's mike audio travels, then the transmitter's wide filter and the receiver's narrow filter are in effect connected in series. Thus in this case the combined response of the Tx and Rx

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-28 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Let's end of the ESSB debate thread. Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com wrote: Wasted bandwidth, indeed. This is not the place to debate ESSB. It's a dead horse that has been beaten from the pasture to the glue factory.

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Richard Fjeld
, isn't it going to be wasted bandwidth? Rich, n0ce - Original Message - From: Matt Zilmer To: Mike Markowski Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization It works quite well too! Looks like Wide SSB TX

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
- Original Message - From: Matt Zilmer To: Mike Markowski Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization It works quite well too! Looks like Wide SSB TX and plain SSB TX are always left with the same

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Scott Manthe
Wasted bandwidth, indeed. This is not the place to debate ESSB. It's a dead horse that has been beaten from the pasture to the glue factory. 73, Scott, N9AA On 1/28/13 12:07 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: IMHO, those who want studio quality SSB should obtain a commercial broadcasting license and use

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Alan Bloom
to be wasted bandwidth? Rich, n0ce - Original Message - From: Matt Zilmer To: Mike Markowski Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization It works quite well too! Looks like Wide SSB TX and plain SSB TX

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Grant Youngman
is in qso with a station of the same width, isn't it going to be wasted bandwidth? Rich, n0ce - Original Message - From: Matt Zilmer To: Mike Markowski Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-27 Thread Richard Fjeld
Message - - Original Message - From: Grant Youngman To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization I wish it were possible to leave the bandwidth wars somewhere else. :( You don't want

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-26 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Ron, Go the CONFIG:TX ESSB menu. Push the '1' key until VFO A reads, On or OFF. If it's OFF, push the '1' key again and you should see it read 'On'. Use VFO A to set the width you want. Then exit the menu. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:32:06 -0800, you wrote: Recently I was

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-26 Thread Mike Markowski
I wrote a tiny program for adjusting the 3 EQ settings: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/ and click on the Elecraft logo for the K3 EQ program. This doesn't compare to elaborate programs that do much more, but might be useful for a simple EQ adjustment. Not tested on all OSes, so no

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Equalization

2013-01-26 Thread Matt Zilmer
It works quite well too! Looks like Wide SSB TX and plain SSB TX are always left with the same profile. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:54:17 -0500, you wrote: I wrote a tiny program for adjusting the 3 EQ settings: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/ and click on the Elecraft logo

[Elecraft] ESSB and FM Filter selection for AM Transmit

2012-11-15 Thread N2ZDB
Wayne, When I enable the FM filter for AM Transmit I get a ERR TXF indication when trying to transmit on SSB with ESSB enabled. Will there be a fix for this? Thank you, Michael n2zdb __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and FM Filter

2012-11-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
Michael, We allow the FM filter to be use for AM transmit, now, but not for ESSB transmit. The filter is too wide for this purpose. 73, Wayne N6KR Wayne, When I enable the FM filter for AM Transmit I get a ERR TXF indication when trying to transmit on SSB with ESSB enabled. Will there

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and FM Filter

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Horsten
Wayne, Have you actually measured the output when using the FM filter for ESSB transmit? I'd have thought with the excellent design of the K3, the DSP should provide enough bounding. 73, Thomas M0TRN On 15 November 2012 18:57, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: Michael, We allow the FM

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and FM Filter

2012-11-15 Thread Scott Manthe
Wayne is right to restrict the use of the FM filter to non-ESSB transmit. Too many hi-fi operators on 20 meters will be tempted to transmit 13 kHz wide signals. No fix is necessary, in my opinion. 73, Scott, N9AA On 11/15/12 10:00 PM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Wayne, Have you actually measured

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and FM Filter

2012-11-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Too many hi-fi operators on 20 meters will be tempted to transmit 13 kHz wide signals. It is not possible to transmit a 13 KHz wide signal as the DSP will not generate ESSB more than 4 KHz wide (CONFIG:TX ESSB). No fix is necessary, in my opinion. The phase noise pedestal with the 13 KHz

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2011-04-26 Thread DL5OCD
Hello Van, i have had measured the K3 with Spectogram with the same results like you discribed. The BW is abt 15% higher than the adjusted level. Reported that behaviour to Elecraft a long time ago. Hope that helps Michael -- View this message in context:

[Elecraft] ESSB

2011-04-25 Thread van
Using several different K3 and P3 combinations in over the air test, it appears that when running the K3 in ESSB mode and set to 3KHZ the actual bandwidth for a full audio range SSB signal is about 3.5 to 3.6 KHz in width. Set for 4Khz the bandwidth is about 4.6 Khz. If this is not true then

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2011-04-25 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Bob, I'm mostly a CW guy, but even I like using ESSB once in awhile. I only use it when a band is sparsely populated, so there's no issue with consuming a bit of extra bandwidth. It's a nice change to hear the lows and highs a bit better during casual conversation. Of course I'd never

[Elecraft] ESSB

2010-05-09 Thread Michael M. Raskin
Is anyone using ESSB? If so, can you listen to SSB using the AM filter set say to 3.5 width but transmit on the 2.7/2.8 filter? Mike __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2010-05-09 Thread DL5OCD
Hello Mike, of course, it works great. 73 Michael -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ESSB-tp5026520p5026860.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB

2010-05-09 Thread Phil LaMarche
www.w9dvm.com K3 #1605 CCA 98-00827 CRA 1701 W9DVM -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of DL5OCD Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Hello Mike, of course

[Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread John Payne
N2DTS: I don't understand why some people like to limit other peoplesactivity, or choices. Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97: §97.307 Emission standards. (a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than necessary for the information rate and emission type being

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And the FCC regulations are vague, i.e. ...than necessary..., ...good amateur practice..., ...adjacent frequencies... None of these are quantifiable. What constitutes compliance is a matter of personal opinion. Compare these requirements to those controlling emissions outside of the amateur

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Howard
, September 28, 2009 7:15 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules N2DTS: I don't understand why some people like to limit other peoplesactivity, or choices. Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97: §97.307 Emission standards. (a) No amateur station transmission shall

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread David Gilbert
Brett, reread part (a) of the FCC rules below. The maximum bandwidth requirement is applied to each individual emission type (mode). The FCC acknowledges the right to use voice modes like SSB and even AM ... it just says you shouldn't abuse the bandwidth when you do so. Dave AB7E Brett

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Howard
, September 28, 2009 10:38 AM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules Brett, reread part (a) of the FCC rules below. The maximum bandwidth requirement is applied to each individual emission type (mode). The FCC acknowledges the right to use voice modes like SSB and even AM

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
'; 'elecraft' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules Read my message again. ESSB is a mode! I'm saying that people who claim ESSB is wasteful then why can't CW ops say that SSB is wasteful? ~BTH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread David Gilbert
Not according to the FCC Dave AB7E Brett Howard wrote: Read my message again. ESSB is a mode! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes, and from the information I have, H3 and J3 (among others) are both considered phone. H3 is full carrier SSB, so there's no lower limit to the audio frequency allowed, only a 3 kHz upper limit. What's not defined in Part 97 is what the 3 kHz means - 3 dB down from peak, 6 dB down? And no slope

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I have been on the air long enough to remember when there were serious arguments for banishing all phone from the HF bands as a huge spectrum-waster. Compared to CW and even most other digital modes, it certainly is! Though if you want a fair comparison, I

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Lyle Johnson
I have been on the air long enough to remember when there were serious arguments for banishing all phone from the HF bands as a huge spectrum-waster. Compared to CW and even most other digital modes, it certainly is! Though if you want a fair comparison, I suppose you should multiply the

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules [ END of thread]

2009-09-28 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks, Let's end this thread discussing ESSB and the FCC rules. 73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

[Elecraft] ESSB and Selfishness (or Learning to Play Nice in the Sandbox)

2009-09-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:31:19 -0400, Brett Gazdzinski wrote: I don't understand why some people like to limit other peoples activity, or choices. Human society DEPENDS on limitations on other peoples activity. To name only a few simple ones, we have traffic lights, speed limits, lane changing

[Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about 50% compared to USB. Turning off ESSB gives 100% power in either mode. I reloaded the latest firmware, 2.23, no change. 20 meters is 100% output on either sideband. Suggestions? Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread Don Ehrlich
I just checked mine on 40 meters and all is normal. Output is the same for ESSB on or off, USB or LSB. I used a mic plugged into the front of the radio. Don K7FJ When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about 50% compared to USB. Turning off ESSB gives 100%

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
to 100w then quickly decreases to 50w. Not so in USB. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: Gary Surrency [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

[Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m]

2008-08-06 Thread Ken K3IU
: Gary Surrency [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about 50% compared to USB. Turning off ESSB gives 100% power in either mode. I reloaded the latest firmware, 2.23

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread N8XPQ
i also see the same problem. i thought that for some reason the TXGN HP setting was messed up. I checked this setting and confirmed it was ok. My K3 also shows the same symptoms on 40 meters. Mike N8XPQ n4lq wrote: When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about

RE: [Elecraft] essb with fm crystal filter

2008-08-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:51 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] essb with fm crystal filter Will essb work with the fm xtal filter or does the firmware disable this option? de zl1any -- Stephen Pearce Critical Care Whangarei ph 021 390 997

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-03 Thread Julian, G4ILO
W7GJ, Lance wrote: I am very curious about this ESSB modeI am getting my K3 in a few weeks, and wonder what it sounds like with a normal SSB receiver using something like 2.8 KHz filter. Does it sound better/worse/distorted? Or can you hear no difference unless you have a

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-03 Thread Barry N1EU
W7GJ, Lance wrote: I am very curious about this ESSB modeI am getting my K3 in a few weeks, and wonder what it sounds like with a normal SSB receiver using something like 2.8 KHz filter. Does it sound better/worse/distorted? Or can you hear no difference unless you have a

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-03 Thread Brett Howard
All one has to do is set it up as a PF1/2 or M1-4 hotkey and then they can turn it on/off... On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 02:03 -0700, Julian, G4ILO wrote: W7GJ, Lance wrote: I am very curious about this ESSB modeI am getting my K3 in a few weeks, and wonder what it sounds like with

RE: [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I am very curious about this ESSB modeI am getting my K3 in a few weeks, and wonder what it sounds like with a normal SSB receiver using something like 2.8 KHz filter. Does it sound better/worse/distorted? Or can you hear no difference unless you have a wider receive filter? Since most

[Elecraft] essb with fm crystal filter

2008-08-03 Thread stephen pearce
Will essb work with the fm xtal filter or does the firmware disable this option? de zl1any -- Stephen Pearce Critical Care Whangarei ph 021 390 997 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-02 Thread LANCE COLLISTER
Don Rasmussen wrote: Downloaded 2.23 here and setup for ESSB. Not a glitch, as usual. At 3.0khz as compared to conventional SSB at 2.4 or 2.7khz it does not seem to be a new mode worthy of a different name, but the audio sounds much fuller, much more human. I had a headset connected to my

[Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-02 Thread Don Rasmussen
of producing quality audio from the K3 at 3khz essb. [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well LANCE COLLISTER w7gj at q.com Sat Aug 2 21:48:24 EDT 2008 Don Rasmussen wrote: Downloaded 2.23 here and setup for ESSB. Not a glitch, as usual. At 3.0khz as compared to conventional SSB at 2.4 or 2.7khz it does

[Elecraft] ESSB

2008-08-01 Thread Don Rasmussen
* ESSB (EXTENDED SINGLE SIDEBAND) ADDED: Allows the K3 to transmit in SSB modes at a bandwidth of up to about 4 kHz. Requires a 6 kHz crystal filter on the RF board. Note: ESSB receive is obtained just by adjusting the WIDTH control. - ** ESSB receive requires a roofing filter wider than

[Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-01 Thread Roy Morris
I set the AM filter FL1 to 6Khz. I then set TX ESSB to 4 Khz and turned it on. I received good audio reports tonight in ESSB mode. The USB and LSB now transmit at the same level. I had to turn down the mic gain also. V.2.23 firmware is really great! Thanks Wayne and Eric. Roy Morris

[Elecraft] ESSB Works Well

2008-08-01 Thread Don Rasmussen
So Roy - whats ESSB sound like to someone listening on a standard analog transceiver like a FT1000 where the filtering is closer to 2.7khz rather than 4 khz. Can they reasonably tune ESSB in? [Elecraft] ESSB Works Well Roy Morris w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Fri Aug 1 23:10:02 EDT 2008 Previous

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB- What About Pactor III?

2007-08-14 Thread R. Kevin Stover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Julian G4ILO wrote: Many digimode enthusiasts do get annoyed about PACTOR robot stations. But mostly the digital modes each keep to different areas of the digital sub-band and there is not very much conflict - unless you're using some new mode

[Elecraft] ESSB- What About Pactor III?

2007-08-13 Thread W2AGN
Everyone gets into such a high dudgeon about ESSB, but I see no one here complaining about PACTOR III, which is a proprietary mode which takes up the same bandwidth as a SSB signal, but is allowed in the data parts of the bands, INCLUDING 30M. Not only that, but it is employed by dozens of robot

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB- What About Pactor III?

2007-08-13 Thread Julian G4ILO
On 8/13/07, W2AGN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone gets into such a high dudgeon about ESSB, but I see no one here complaining about PACTOR III, which is a proprietary mode which takes up the same bandwidth as a SSB signal, but is allowed in the data parts of the bands, INCLUDING 30M. Not

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB- What About Pactor III?

2007-08-13 Thread Thom LaCosta
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: Everyone gets into such a high dudgeon about ESSB, but I see no one here complaining about PACTOR III Perhaps it's because it's officially sanctioned by the ARRL. Mayhaps the folks who want ESSB need to joing the sailboaters and pitch to them that hi fi SSB

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB- What About Pactor III?

2007-08-13 Thread Clark B. Wierda
I'm sure that will change now that it has been mentioned. As the elecraft community are largely builders and experimenters, the closed aspect of Pactor-III doesn't generate the interest that would otherwise drive the discussion. As a protocol, Pactor-III is trying to increase the throughput of a

RE: [Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-12 Thread Greg
Please see the K3 FAQ on ESSB. 73 Greg AB7R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred (FL) Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:35 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB from a K3 Evidently, the K3 does not support ESSB

[Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-12 Thread Ray Kiesel
Also, see the specs...4 kHz max. (Subject to change.) http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm RayK3RIZ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub,

[Elecraft] ESSB? Naah. I'm much more interested in K3-native digital voice

2007-08-12 Thread Steve Jackson
I'd like to know more about the K3's DSP engine and if it's powerful enough to do a G4GUO type codec. I'm not smart enough to make an estimate about the needed processing power partly because I don't know what the rig is capable of, and partly because I haven't played with a vocoder that does

[Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-11 Thread Ken Kopp
An ignoble use for an elegant K3 ... Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):

[Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-11 Thread Fred (FL)
OK ... What good is ESSB? For good, bad, illegal - K3 is capable apparently of generating it, in some mode. If one can't transmit it, legally or ethically - why for heavan's sake - would I want the capability to receive it? Are us poor hams, destined to have 2.7khz or LESS, forever

RE: [Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-11 Thread Brett gazdzinski
: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:22 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB from a K3 OK ... What good is ESSB? For good, bad, illegal - K3 is capable apparently of generating it, in some mode. If one can't transmit it, legally or ethically - why for heavan's sake

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred, I really think you are phishing, but then I am not the list cop. IMHO, if you want to transmit 'high fidelity', then you should obtain a commercial broadcasting license. In the ham bands, I believe the rule of minimum bandwidth required for communications should prevail. 2.8 or less

[Elecraft] ESSB from a K3

2007-08-11 Thread Fred (FL)
Evidently, the K3 does not support ESSB, or for sure it shouldn't. For me, I learned the very edges of what ESSB supposedly is - but nothing about it here. Fred N3CSY Choose the right car based on