Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Thank you for follow-up comments. In case of minor change, the firmware change needs no recertification. A great improvement in transmission requires the recertification. For example, KX-3 became allowed to transmit FM and AM after the first lot. Equipment with ESSB mode over 3 kHz width (=Japanese limit) may not be accepted by JARD. Jun, JI1TLL From: wun...@wunderwood.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 20:14:32 -0800 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X One Japanese amateur had the opinion that firmware upgrades would require recertification. Perhaps that is true, but it also might be just as accurate as my opinion about what the FCC would do. If I were a betting man, I would not bet on my opinion about the FCC. Basically, let's not jump to the conclusion that the Japanese are trying to exclude US radios. Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. wunder K6WRU On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: But Elecraft doesn't have to get a new type approval from the FCC every time they change the firmware. The post I quoted (included below) indicates that the Japanese manufacturers need to get approval from JARD whenever they want to change the firmware. Having the expense of jumping thru a bureaucratic hoop would certainly act as a disincentive. Cheers - Bill On 1/7/14 at 6:32 PM, wun...@wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
And why do they not have such certification? Probably I think that this is because Japanese importer and Elecraft do not apply to JARD for the examination with a certificate of K3. Oku JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote: K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm And why do they not have such certification? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Jim, I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the certification for the K3 and KX3. Bob - N7RJN On 1/6/14, 10:37 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote: K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm And why do they not have such certification? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Friends, These approvals: CE, UL, FCC and JARD all cost money to obtain. There is some redundancy between them and type approvals can be used as barriers to free trade. Standards are needed but when each nation has its own then it is expensive and time consuming for a small manufacturer to break into new markets. I would prefer the Elecraft engineers worked on product improvement rather than yet another type approval. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Nobis Sent: 07 January 2014 08:51 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X Jim, I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the certification for the K3 and KX3. Bob - N7RJN On 1/6/14, 10:37 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote: K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm And why do they not have such certification? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Bob-san, Of course I think so, too.hi. Oku JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Robert Nobis n7...@nobis.net To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X Jim, I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the certification for the K3 and KX3. Bob - N7RJN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
On 1/8/2014 3:09 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: I assume it requires a business decision. Actually, I was looking for a factual answer, not a guess. Having been alive for 73 years and working in business for the last 40 or so, I can guess as well as the next man. :) And yes, I smell restraint of trade. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
To friends coming to Japan with KX3, A Japanese agent may apply JARD Technical Standard Certification Number, however,this number is basically assigned to the equipment with high completeness after critical check. We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. My KX-3 is registered as a homebrew at JA-FCC. The number is not assigned to any imported transceiver so far. Jun JI1TLL, From: dxcc-...@tiara.ocn.ne.jp To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:28:29 +0900 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X Bob-san, Of course I think so, too.hi. Oku JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Robert Nobis n7...@nobis.net To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X Jim, I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the certification for the K3 and KX3. Bob - N7RJN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
On 1/7/2014 6:53 AM, 須崎 純一 wrote: JARD can never accept such a moving spec.machine. Not sure I follow that logic. But they can certify an FT1000MP, which generates nasty clicks, and a Mark V, which generates nasty clicks. And a 7600 which generates nasty clicks. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Pretty standard restraint of trade, similar in other industries. Not much to do, just the way it is in Japan. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 1/7/2014 6:53 AM, 須崎 純一 wrote: JARD can never accept such a moving spec.machine. Not sure I follow that logic. But they can certify an FT1000MP, which generates nasty clicks, and a Mark V, which generates nasty clicks. And a 7600 which generates nasty clicks. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Jim, I suspect the issue is that Elecraft simply has not pursued getting the certification. Possibly the ROI doesn’t justify doing this. At any rate, there is a procedure for an individual to get a temporary certification for use while traveling in Japan. Bob - N7RJN On 1/7/14, 2:08 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 1/7/2014 6:53 AM, 須崎 純一 wrote: JARD can never accept such a moving spec.machine. Not sure I follow that logic. But they can certify an FT1000MP, which generates nasty clicks, and a Mark V, which generates nasty clicks. And a 7600 which generates nasty clicks. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
That and if your only goal as a company is to make money it doesn't pay to give away upgrades. If you are going to do an upgrade, make a new radio with new features and sell it. If your goal is to produce great stuff, take care of your customers (get referrals) and make a living, you do it the way Elecraft does. That's why I have a KX3 and not an FT-817. 73 -- Lynn On 1/7/2014 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
But Elecraft doesn't have to get a new type approval from the FCC every time they change the firmware. The post I quoted (included below) indicates that the Japanese manufacturers need to get approval from JARD whenever they want to change the firmware. Having the expense of jumping thru a bureaucratic hoop would certainly act as a disincentive. Cheers - Bill On 1/7/14 at 6:32 PM, wun...@wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
One Japanese amateur had the opinion that firmware upgrades would require recertification. Perhaps that is true, but it also might be just as accurate as my opinion about what the FCC would do. If I were a betting man, I would not bet on my opinion about the FCC. Basically, let's not jump to the conclusion that the Japanese are trying to exclude US radios. Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. wunder K6WRU On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: But Elecraft doesn't have to get a new type approval from the FCC every time they change the firmware. The post I quoted (included below) indicates that the Japanese manufacturers need to get approval from JARD whenever they want to change the firmware. Having the expense of jumping thru a bureaucratic hoop would certainly act as a disincentive. Cheers - Bill On 1/7/14 at 6:32 PM, wun...@wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Having JARD Technical Standard Certification Number is not mandatory for ham radio transmitters. The transmitter without JARD Technical Standard Certification Number can get individually certified for the licensed amateur who has applied the certification to add the transmitter into his approved gears. The most obvious issue for K3 to get JARD Technical Standard Certification Number is 60m transmission capability. K3 having 60m transmission capability will not get the number. Same is for KX3. I got a K3/100 last December and am composing documents to apply the certification with 60m transmission capability disabled in firmware level. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith On 2014/01/08, at 13:14, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: One Japanese amateur had the opinion that firmware upgrades would require recertification. Perhaps that is true, but it also might be just as accurate as my opinion about what the FCC would do. If I were a betting man, I would not bet on my opinion about the FCC. Basically, let's not jump to the conclusion that the Japanese are trying to exclude US radios. Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. wunder K6WRU On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: But Elecraft doesn't have to get a new type approval from the FCC every time they change the firmware. The post I quoted (included below) indicates that the Japanese manufacturers need to get approval from JARD whenever they want to change the firmware. Having the expense of jumping thru a bureaucratic hoop would certainly act as a disincentive. Cheers - Bill On 1/7/14 at 6:32 PM, wun...@wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, ji1...@jarl.com wrote: We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently revised even now. JARD can never accept such a moving spec. machine. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
We've all got our copies of 47 CFR part 97 handy, right? Every FCC licensee is supposed to have a copy of the rules for their radio service... As best I can tell, in the U.S. there is no requirement for type acceptance for amateur radio transmitters, and as licensees in the Amateur Radio Service, we are solely responsible for our transmitted signals. Commercially made receivers require type-acceptance under 47 CFR part 15. Manufactured or imported amplifiers must be certified, mainly insuring that they can't easily be used on Citizen's Band. Transmitters do not require type acceptance or certification. We as licensed amateur radio operators are free to build or modify our transmitters at will. At least as far as I can tell. Good thing, or homebrewers and kit builders would likely need to send their radios to be certified. I don't know how other countries handle this, but maybe Japan has it right? 73 -- Lynn On 1/7/2014 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
Transmitters do not require type acceptance or certification. We as licensed amateur radio operators are free to build or modify our transmitters at will. Here in Japan, it is different story. All transmitters must be certified by either JARD Technical Standard Certification Number or set-by-set assessment with either document or transmitter itself. Japanese government applies the same principles for commercial stations to amateur stations with as much as flexibility within the principle. One such principle is that transmitter must be certified. So, whatever transmitter you have built or bought need to get certified before using for transmission 73 de JH3SIF, Keith On 2014/01/08, at 13:49, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: We've all got our copies of 47 CFR part 97 handy, right? Every FCC licensee is supposed to have a copy of the rules for their radio service... As best I can tell, in the U.S. there is no requirement for type acceptance for amateur radio transmitters, and as licensees in the Amateur Radio Service, we are solely responsible for our transmitted signals. Commercially made receivers require type-acceptance under 47 CFR part 15. Manufactured or imported amplifiers must be certified, mainly insuring that they can't easily be used on Citizen's Band. Transmitters do not require type acceptance or certification. We as licensed amateur radio operators are free to build or modify our transmitters at will. At least as far as I can tell. Good thing, or homebrewers and kit builders would likely need to send their radios to be certified. I don't know how other countries handle this, but maybe Japan has it right? 73 -- Lynn On 1/7/2014 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
George, Please feel free to cite the appropriate section from Title 47. I may have missed something. 73 -- Lynn On 1/7/2014 9:41 PM, george fritkin wrote: Lynn, I think you need a little brushing-up on the FCC regs George, W6GF *From: * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com; *To: * elecraft@mailman.qth.net; *Subject: * Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X *Sent: * Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:49:24 AM We've all got our copies of 47 CFR part 97 handy, right? Every FCC licensee is supposed to have a copy of the rules for their radio service... As best I can tell, in the U.S. there is no requirement for type acceptance for amateur radio transmitters, and as licensees in the Amateur Radio Service, we are solely responsible for our transmitted signals. Commercially made receivers require type-acceptance under 47 CFR part 15. Manufactured or imported amplifiers must be certified, mainly insuring that they can't easily be used on Citizen's Band. Transmitters do not require type acceptance or certification. We as licensed amateur radio operators are free to build or modify our transmitters at will. At least as far as I can tell. Good thing, or homebrewers and kit builders would likely need to send their radios to be certified. I don't know how other countries handle this, but maybe Japan has it right? 73 -- Lynn On 1/7/2014 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Just like the FCC, they try to keep poor-quality transmitters off the air in their country. That is a good thing. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net javascript:return This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm Oku / JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Robert Nobis n7...@nobis.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:32 PM Subject: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3 and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association) Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license. 73, Bob - N7RJN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm Oku / JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Robert Nobis n7...@nobis.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:32 PM Subject: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3 and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association) Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license. 73, Bob - N7RJN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote: K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm And why do they not have such certification? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
And why do they not have such certification? Probably I think that this is because Japanese importer and Elecraft do not apply to JARD for the examination with a certificate of K3. Oku JK1KSB - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote: K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number. See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm And why do they not have such certification? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
