Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/20/2014 10:32 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Not if exchanging call signs takes 10 minutes instead of ten seconds. There are excellent reasons for QRP. As chance would have it, I spent an hour or two today at the NCDXC club picnic chatting with AF6RT, who spent Friday and Saturday lighting up a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/20/2014 10:42 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Sounds good to me. http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp Beautiful work, Wes 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Lyle Johnson
Two answers below. 73, Lyle KK7P 1) Can the KXPA100 and KX3 tolerate the higher voltages of a fully charged 14.8V battery pack? (In the range of 16V). No. The products are not guaranteed to FAIL if you apply 16 V, but they are not designed to operate from 16 V, either. 2) Do the KX3 or

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Gordon N6LL
Very FB, Wes, and it has the requisite two meters: plate current and grid current. 73, Paul N6LL On 7/21/2014 9:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 7/20/2014 10:42 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Sounds good to me. http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp Beautiful work, Wes 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/21/2014 9:51 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: The PA (KX3 or KXPA100) operates directly off the supply power and current is proportional to power level and drive, but not supply voltage. Thanks, Lyle. The additional question I was asking here is if the KXPA100 pull proportionally less current

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Steve
I think some where my original question go lost. Can the K3 operate key down at 100W's. I did get an answer, yes - 120w for 24hr's... So the answer is yes. I complicated things by adding JT65 and that I operate at 0.5 to 2 watts with my KX3, but up to 20w with an IC-706. Yes, if I am -25db

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-21 Thread Steve
Well, yes... {less powerful engine} After the late 60's the rules were changed to require all cars to operate under the same limits. NO more turbine cars... (for a $6 ball bearing...) steve WB3LGC On 21-Jul-14 1:34 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Or, when they're patting your face with a shovel saying,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
The problem with this is, if everyone else is as misguided, then they are transmitting with ten watts too. So their signals are 10 to 20+ dB weaker than with higher power, hence there are fewer stations to work, ie. less DX. Furthermore, with more power, faster modes of communicating are

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
] K3 power out - key down The problem with this is, if everyone else is as misguided, then they are transmitting with ten watts too. So their signals are 10 to 20+ dB weaker than with higher power, hence there are fewer stations to work, ie. less DX. Furthermore, with more power, faster modes

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
Club Staunton, Illinois email:  b...@wjschmidt.com -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:05 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down The problem

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Edward R Cole
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down Message-ID: 011e01cfa426$5fba6f80$1f2f4e80$@wjschmidt.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have you ever listened to the interviews of the Indy car drivers after a race? Do they say: I wish I had a less powerful engine to make

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 7/20/2014 12:36 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: The software provides about 10-dB better SNR (making the 10w JT65 signal equivalent to 100w CW). REPLY: I find an 8877 provides about 22 dB SNR over ten watts. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Brian Alsop
I'm not a QRP fan for DX. However, one can definitely copy a weaker signal with JT65. No matter how much power you have, you can't work them if you can't copy them. It seems like the magic combo is 1500 W and JT65 on both ends. I think guys are resorting to this on 160M to try and squeeze

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Not if exchanging call signs takes 10 minutes instead of ten seconds. On 7/20/2014 8:57 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: which can actually *lower* the total QRM level. And! here all along, I thought LESS Power, LESS QRM!!! Oh well! 73 MILVERTON /W9MMS

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Or, when they're patting your face with a shovel saying, I wish I'd spent more time working QRP. On 7/20/2014 12:36 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down Message-ID: 011e01cfa426$5fba6f80$1f2f4e80$@wjschmidt.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Sounds good to me. http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp On 7/20/2014 2:09 PM, Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 7/20/2014 12:36 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: The software provides about 10-dB better SNR (making the 10w JT65 signal equivalent to 100w CW). REPLY: I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Gerald Manthey
Just how many people are running high power on low power modes like jt65? I work the world with 10 watts. Gerald - KC6CNN On Jul 19, 2014 10:48 AM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote: Hmm .. makes me wonder if a failed fan would result in an error message and/or graceful power roll off to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Wheeler
I don't use that mode and generally run no more than 40 watts on PSK31 with the K3. But this statement below The K3/100 has two fans. The KX3 has no fans. Apples and oranges. made me wonder if fan failure could be an issue with the K3/100 -- and one which might affect those running less

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Josh Fiden
I thought it was weak signal mode, not low power mode. I don't think the XYL would permit an array large enough to work 6m EME with 10W... everyone has a dream! 73, Josh W6XU On 7/19/2014 2:27 PM, Gerald Manthey wrote: Just how many people are running high power on low power modes like

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/19/2014 2:27 PM, Gerald Manthey wrote: Just how many people are running high power on low power modes like jt65? I work the world with 10 watts. You are misinformed. JT65 is NOT a LOW POWER mode, it is a WEAK SIGNAL mode. BIG difference. Caps added for emphasis. On VHF/UHF, it is quite

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Gerald Manthey
Yes I guess I was not totally informed. I took the suggestions from the book and translated it to mean low power. I read the user guide for jt65hf and it said in part Running at full output power is seldom necessary or desirable due to the incredible sensitivity of JT65. Most users find 5 to 10

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-19 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 7/19/2014 5:44 PM, Gerald Manthey wrote: and I work the world on 10 watts. REPLY: I encourage the Geralds of the world to continue with their ten watts. Makes DXing easier for the rest of us. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT

[Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-18 Thread Steve
I am thinking about replacing my ORION II with a K3 as it is smaller (much smaller). My OII will do RTTY (or JT65) at 100 Watts (with the fan option). What will the K3 do? (I know it has fans, too) I hear lots of comments about digital power out for the KX3 and heatsinks... I guess the question

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-18 Thread Steve
Thanks, You didn't use a brick? I expected the K3 to handle 100W as there were no comments that I remember. With your comments it doesn't matter how the 500W amp would work as I doubt if I would want to run more than 100W, either. I also have a IC-706 100W rig but it will only handle ~40W

Re: [Elecraft] K3 power out - key down

2014-07-18 Thread Josh Fiden
It takes 80W drive to get my amp to full output. I've run my K3 continuously for hours at a time at that level on JT65. No issues at all and never even noticed it getting hot. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/18/2014 5:04 PM, Steve wrote: No, I wouldn't run 100W on JT65.