Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-07 Thread John Simmons
Oh, please, please bring back the CW note of the Drake 4-line! -de John NI0K Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote on 6/6/2020 10:59 PM: There are actually 2 time elements involved.  First is the time between key closure and the amp key command.  This is approximately 3ms of processing time inside the

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
There are actually 2 time elements involved.  First is the time between key closure and the amp key command.  This is approximately 3ms of processing time inside the radio.  The second is amp key command to RF generation out of the radio.  This is the 5ms between amp key command and RF

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
I read that also. It was not a KPA500 or KPA1500. The Elecraft amplifiers are designed with solid-state switching and are capable of switching very rapidly, in much less time than 8 mSec. In fact the amps will switch quickly enough to allow true QSK in the K3/K3S. Fred’s analysis is correct in

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
In fact, it's closer to 5-6 ms when set to 8. And of course it depends on the amp. A general rule to "set it to 9" is silly. It just has to give the relays time to settle down. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 07-Jun-2020 04:00, David

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Correct. But if you are hot-switching at all, even only on the first element, you risk damage to the amplifier and the transceiver. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 07-Jun-2020 02:55, N4ZR wrote: There's a big discussion going on in

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
With my P3 I observe many CW signals that are wide.  And key clicks are easily recognized.  Likewise, transmit phase noise is also recognized as some signals are wide and some are very narrow.    Casual observations  seem to center on one particular brand of radio that is most prone to have

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Fred Jensen
Not really Dave, until you're sending at sufficient speed to tax the sequencing of the radio.  QSK is "inherently" a receive function -- mute the receiver while generating RF, unmute when it's not.  TXDelay waits ms before starting RF to let amplifier switching settle, at which point you're

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread David Gilbert
QSK has everything to do with it. If you hot switch the amp you create sharp waveforms every element even if the K3 keying is soft. The discussion on the contesting forum included comments that the default setting for TXDELAY on the K3 (apparently 008) isn't long enough and that it should be set

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread John Simmons
I have operated a number of the 'big' CW contests. I have heard some really, really wide sigs with horrible key clicks. Yes they were strong but 10 KHz wide? Rob Sherwood and others have written about this. Some of the really high-end rigs (non-Elecraft) allow user adjustment of CW rise

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread Fred Jensen
True.  TXDelay is a sequencing parameter to assure that downstream switching has completed before RF appears. The keying waveform [particularly the edges and "corners"] affect the sidebands and thus bandwidth of the CW signal.  I don't believe QSK has anything to do with it, at least for a K3.

[Elecraft] Key Clicks

2020-06-06 Thread N4ZR
There's a big discussion going on in contesting circles online about the problem of key clicks.  There's been a lot of discussion about settings called things like TXDelay, but so far as I can tell (and the manual confirms), the K3's TX delay is intended to protect amplifier relays at the

[Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not.

2009-02-04 Thread Gary Smith
I have an interesting thing to figure out... I have a K3 and my amp is a TenTec Titan 425. I was CQing DX on 160 CW today using semi break-in and a fellow came by and said I was generating key clicks. He came back and asked me to QSY to SSB and I looked for him but didn't find him. I went up

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not.

2009-02-04 Thread Gary Smith
...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Gary Smith g...@doctorgary.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not. I have an interesting thing to figure out... I have a K3 and my amp

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not.

2009-02-04 Thread Gary NL7Y
Gary Smith wrote: I have an interesting thing to figure out... I have a K3 and my amp is a TenTec Titan 425. I was CQing DX on 160 CW today using semi break-in and a fellow came by and said I was generating key clicks. Ideas? Thanks, Gary KA1J This may not be the issue in

Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not.

2009-02-04 Thread Steve Ellington
, February 04, 2009 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Key Clicks? Maybe, Maybe not. Gary Smith wrote: I have an interesting thing to figure out... I have a K3 and my amp is a TenTec Titan 425. I was CQing DX on 160 CW today using semi break-in and a fellow came by and said I

[Elecraft] Key clicks

2004-11-06 Thread Nanko
Unfortunately no reply's on my posting, so I guess I have to dig deeper into the way the CW signal is generated,and do some wave form checks. To do this I need some help,because the schematic diagram does not help me. I woulk like to know the signal path for CW ,I guess it starts with U8 but

Re: [Elecraft] Key clicks

2004-11-06 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm
Nano, Sorry you didn't get a response earlier. K2 keying starts in the microprocessor and exits the associated 8 bit DAC (U8) as the V-PWR signal. Then it is shaped in the ALC circuits and comes out as the V-ALC signal (the level of this signal also controls the power output level). (The

[Elecraft] Key clicks.

2004-11-04 Thread Nanko
Thanks to W6UR raspy CW tone is solved,my mistake C91 not mounted. But still having problems with keyclicks. K2 s power amp is not used,permanent in class C,but a rectified RF output from transverter output is fed to V RFDET pin 10 aux I/O When with external PS 2 Volts is applied to pin 10, K2