Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
Iain It is true that the WK in remote configuration does decode the padle input and hence cannot send a character before it is finished. But this does NOT lead to what you mention. There is absolutely no problem in sending N6ML at any speed on a Server/Client set up. What You may have run into is the situation where the Client WK has been set to a too low speed - that will introduce some embarassing space insertion. When adjusting the speed (on the Client window) you adjust the speed by which you key the Server WK (and the TX). The Client WK automatically is set to a slightly higher speed (call it the default speed). I have checked this at various speeds. Sending the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog the Server WK will just finish the word lazy when you have finished the whole sentence. It is the case at speed 15 wpm and it is the case at 30 wpm. You can set the Client WK at any higher speed than the default (using the Client WK potentiometer) and in this way key more ahead of the Server WK, but this only advisable if you know you will not be break'ed. Setting the Server WK at 15 wpm I can finish the sentence when the Server just finished the word Fox. The Server WK keeps on with jumped over the lazy dog while I sit back and enjoy. However if you force the Client key to a speed below the default speed you will get exactly what you describe. You are right that Remoterig does it in a different way and that one can use any keyer. This may well be a good reason to use that (more expensive) solution. I have heard many Remoterig signals and many of them produce strange effects, maybe when there are packet loss on the IP. I dont know if WK server Client setup would be any better in that situation - but I do think so. The WK solution will only output valid characters - or nothing. Just to be clear: I have no interest whatsoever in the Winkeyer product - despite it may seem so :-) 73 de OZ4UN Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad Den 08/03/2014 kl. 17.44 skrev iain macdonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org: The problem I had with the WKremote solution is that it sends a letter at a time. It has to wait for you to key a complete letter before it sends it over the network to the remote site. This results in strange spacing - it takes longer to key in a '6' than it does to send a 'N', so, e.g., my callsign comes out as N space 6ML. I believe that the RemoteRig solution sends individual elements (dits and dahs), not complete letters, over the network to avoid this problem. I had a problem with my remote WinKeyer a while back. Intermittently, CW would come out warbly (almost like RF getting into the keying line, but it wasn't that). When the weather got really cold (by W6 standards - i.e. below 40F:), it'd fail completely first thing in the morning, until I turned the K3 on and let things warm up for a while (the WinKeyer sits on top of the K3). I was worried that it was something inside the K3 that was failing, but after I replaced both the WinKeyer and the cable connecting it to the K3, it's been 100% fine since. I still don't know if it was the WinKeyer or the cable that was causing the problem, but didn't want to have to make a second trip in those frigid temps :) 73, ~iain / N6ML On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl wrote: Hi David If you mean how to set-up the Winkey Server/Client there is a very well written document available on K1EL website: http://k1el.tripod.com/WKremote.html It is indeed very easy and simple to set up if you follow that document. It did not take me many minutes before I had adjusted to operating RC CW that way: you have a small latency from the WK when using two linked WKs. But it is really not a problem in my view. I have used CW for over 50 years. For very fast QSK QSOs, though, I think you would not like it. For standard bk-type QSOs its indeed useable - even when through an internet connection with 200 msec ping-time. If you mean RC in general, there are many ways to do it. My low-cost solution is just one. Anyone want to know more contact me off-list. 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Cutter [mailto:d.cut...@ntlworld.com] Sendt: 8. marts 2014 11:22 Til: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
connection with 200 msec ping-time. If you mean RC in general, there are many ways to do it. My low-cost solution is just one. Anyone want to know more contact me off-list. 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Cutter [mailto:d.cut...@ntlworld.com] Sendt: 8. marts 2014 11:22 Til: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl wrote: Hi David If you mean how to set-up the Winkey Server/Client there is a very well written document available on K1EL website: http://k1el.tripod.com/WKremote.html It is indeed very easy and simple to set up if you follow that document. It did not take me many minutes before I had adjusted to operating RC CW that way: you have a small latency from the WK when using two linked WKs. But it is really not a problem in my view. I have used CW for over 50 years. For very fast QSK QSOs, though, I think you would not like it. For standard bk-type QSOs its indeed useable - even when through an internet connection with 200 msec ping-time. If you mean RC in general, there are many ways to do it. My low-cost solution is just one. Anyone want to know more contact me off-list. 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Cutter [mailto:d.cut...@ntlworld.com] Sendt: 8. marts 2014 11:22 Til: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad Den 06/03/2014 kl. 01.35 skrev Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com: Jed, If shorting the RCA plug that goes into the WinKeyer 'fixes' the problem, I would suggest that the problem is in the WinKeyer. The optoisolator (U1 or U3) that 'closes' the key contact may have enough resistance to keep the K3 from keying reliably. It would be informative to hang a DC coupled 'scope probe across that WK output to see if the voltage is really going to zero during keydown periods. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2014 7:09 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: Hello all: For the past several months, there are times when my Winkey won't key my K3. At first, it was after I'd change from SSB to CW. The WK sidetone is still audible, but the rig won't key. Lately, I've had it quit in the middle of a QSO as I'm sending. This morning, it happened when I tried to reply about midway through the QSO. It seems to be happening with more frequency. On Monday night, I did perform a reset/restore of the K3 configuration. I've been able to get things going again by disconnecting the RCA end (K3 to WK cable) from the back of the WK and shorting out the tip/ground. I can then plug it back into the WK and continue. Also, it happens even with only 5 watts output. I realize this is a odd issue, but hope someone may have had a similar experience or can offer some tips for diagnosing the problem. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
Hi David If you mean how to set-up the Winkey Server/Client there is a very well written document available on K1EL website: http://k1el.tripod.com/WKremote.html It is indeed very easy and simple to set up if you follow that document. It did not take me many minutes before I had adjusted to operating RC CW that way: you have a small latency from the WK when using two linked WKs. But it is really not a problem in my view. I have used CW for over 50 years. For very fast QSK QSOs, though, I think you would not like it. For standard bk-type QSOs its indeed useable - even when through an internet connection with 200 msec ping-time. If you mean RC in general, there are many ways to do it. My low-cost solution is just one. Anyone want to know more contact me off-list. 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Cutter [mailto:d.cut...@ntlworld.com] Sendt: 8. marts 2014 11:22 Til: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
The problem I had with the WKremote solution is that it sends a letter at a time. It has to wait for you to key a complete letter before it sends it over the network to the remote site. This results in strange spacing - it takes longer to key in a '6' than it does to send a 'N', so, e.g., my callsign comes out as N space 6ML. I believe that the RemoteRig solution sends individual elements (dits and dahs), not complete letters, over the network to avoid this problem. I had a problem with my remote WinKeyer a while back. Intermittently, CW would come out warbly (almost like RF getting into the keying line, but it wasn't that). When the weather got really cold (by W6 standards - i.e. below 40F:), it'd fail completely first thing in the morning, until I turned the K3 on and let things warm up for a while (the WinKeyer sits on top of the K3). I was worried that it was something inside the K3 that was failing, but after I replaced both the WinKeyer and the cable connecting it to the K3, it's been 100% fine since. I still don't know if it was the WinKeyer or the cable that was causing the problem, but didn't want to have to make a second trip in those frigid temps :) 73, ~iain / N6ML On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl wrote: Hi David If you mean how to set-up the Winkey Server/Client there is a very well written document available on K1EL website: http://k1el.tripod.com/WKremote.html It is indeed very easy and simple to set up if you follow that document. It did not take me many minutes before I had adjusted to operating RC CW that way: you have a small latency from the WK when using two linked WKs. But it is really not a problem in my view. I have used CW for over 50 years. For very fast QSK QSOs, though, I think you would not like it. For standard bk-type QSOs its indeed useable - even when through an internet connection with 200 msec ping-time. If you mean RC in general, there are many ways to do it. My low-cost solution is just one. Anyone want to know more contact me off-list. 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Cutter [mailto:d.cut...@ntlworld.com] Sendt: 8. marts 2014 11:22 Til: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue What an astonishing idea! I have hesitated to make a remote station because of the latency problem, but this will encourage me to look further. Do you have a diagram of your set-up you could share? 73 David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) p...@telepost.gl To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Email List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Jed, I would also suspect the cable (having had some problems with one myself). Not directly related: I have just tried connecting two winkeyers in Server/Client mode. It works great. I just came back from a short trip to OX and worked RC on internet with a 200 msec delay and it worked real nice. Used a WK-compatible keyer from G3ZLP at the Client end and an original Winkeyer in the shack at home. It is certainly an easy way to operate remotely using a paddle. OZ4UN/Poul-Erik Sendt fra min iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
Jed, If shorting the RCA plug that goes into the WinKeyer 'fixes' the problem, I would suggest that the problem is in the WinKeyer. The optoisolator (U1 or U3) that 'closes' the key contact may have enough resistance to keep the K3 from keying reliably. It would be informative to hang a DC coupled 'scope probe across that WK output to see if the voltage is really going to zero during keydown periods. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2014 7:09 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: Hello all: For the past several months, there are times when my Winkey won't key my K3. At first, it was after I'd change from SSB to CW. The WK sidetone is still audible, but the rig won't key. Lately, I've had it quit in the middle of a QSO as I'm sending. This morning, it happened when I tried to reply about midway through the QSO. It seems to be happening with more frequency. On Monday night, I did perform a reset/restore of the K3 configuration. I've been able to get things going again by disconnecting the RCA end (K3 to WK cable) from the back of the WK and shorting out the tip/ground. I can then plug it back into the WK and continue. Also, it happens even with only 5 watts output. I realize this is a odd issue, but hope someone may have had a similar experience or can offer some tips for diagnosing the problem. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue
The WinKey is in standalone mode? How is it powered? If it's self-powered, have you checked the battery? Does it do this on BOTH keying outputs? 73, Ted W4NZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jed Petrovich Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:09 PM To: Elecraft Email List Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WinkeyUSB Keying Issue Hello all: For the past several months, there are times when my Winkey won't key my K3. At first, it was after I'd change from SSB to CW. The WK sidetone is still audible, but the rig won't key. Lately, I've had it quit in the middle of a QSO as I'm sending. This morning, it happened when I tried to reply about midway through the QSO. It seems to be happening with more frequency. On Monday night, I did perform a reset/restore of the K3 configuration. I've been able to get things going again by disconnecting the RCA end (K3 to WK cable) from the back of the WK and shorting out the tip/ground. I can then plug it back into the WK and continue. Also, it happens even with only 5 watts output. I realize this is a odd issue, but hope someone may have had a similar experience or can offer some tips for diagnosing the problem. 73, Jed AD7KG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
